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Diner

1. NMRA Bulletin April 1973                      - Plans, SP Triple Artic. Diner. #1
   

2. NMRA Bulletin June 1973                              - Plans, SP Triple Artic. Diner Part #2
   

3. NMRA Bulletin April 1973                              - Plans for: SP - Triple Unit Diner - The Lark P-S '41: SP 10274-10279, photo
   

4. Model Railroader October 1948                       - Plans for: SP 10250 - 10255 Triple Artic. Diner   
   

5. Model Railroader October 1952                       - Plans, SP #10151 76ft Diner, steel, 6wh. celerestory roof.
   

6. Railroad Model Craftsman September 1954     - Plans, SP Dining Car Turtleback.
   

7. Railroad Modeler September 1971             - Kitbash SP triple Artic. Diner.
   

8. Railroad Model Craftsman January 1969           - Plans, SP Triple Artic. Diner, #10262 - 10267.
   

9. Railroad Model Craftsman April 1969               - SP Diner 10210.
   

10. Railroad Model Craftsman August 1969            - Kitbash, SP Triple Artic. Diner, #10262 - 10267.
    

11. NMRA Bulletin July 1973                       - Plans, Triple Artic. Diner Part #3
    

AAR-car-type designation

Abbreviations

1. AD   = articulated diner
   

2. ADL = articulated diner lounge
   

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4. Most of the ADLs were conversions from the 60-C-4 class coaches (AAR classification PB or PA?) and were renumbered into the 10500 series. Nevertheless, the railroad-specific car class is not the same as the AAR car type. While Southern Pacific All Day Lunch (ADL) cars consisted largely of coach seats, they did include a small kitchen, serving counter, and sometimes dining tables/chairs. The 1943 Equipment Register terms the All Day Lunch cars as Mech. Deg DB. i.e., "a coach or chair car provided with cooking facilities to prepare and serve meals."
   

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6. In Vol. 1 SP Passenger Cars: Coaches and Chair Cars, see pages 67-87. They retained there coach or chair car classifications, although they did have ALL-DAY LUNCH painted on the sides of the cars.
   

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8. In the 1930 ORER, they are listed as All-Day Lunch, but with no other designation. They probably remained as coaches on the SP. Freight cars were listed with M.C.B.designations. The MCB designations were the original ones; MCB was folded into the ARA in 1919 (becoming ARA Division V--Mechanical), and the ARA in turn morphed into the AAR in 1934. There aren’t SP documents with ARA designations applied. SP used it in the Register, but not elsewhere. SP used its Common Standard classes till Amtrak day.
   

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10. There is no necessary conflict between SP's CS classes and the MCB/ARA/AAR type designations. In fact, in some cases, SP changed the latter: for many years, system ballast cars were simply "MWB," an option in the AAR system for cars usable for ballast. In March 1946, SP decided they were really hopper cars with selective dump doors, and changed all the MWB designations to HK.
    

11. Tony Thompson
    

Details

Triple Unit Diner Trucks

1. The type of trucks used on the PS #7572, 7573, and 7574 triple unit Diner/Kitchen/Coffee Shop cars were roller bearing equipped 4-TC-8 trucks at the ends and 6-TCA-2 trucks with special bolsters at the articulating ends. Nobody makes these unfortunately.
   

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3. The SP cars used a cup and ball articulated arrangement above the common truck. The C&O, IC, and NYC cars were not articulated and did not share a truck; they were coupled using a drawbar. The last operable triple unit SP diner/lounge, the Cascade Club, has been at the Golden Gate RR museum for many years.
   

Truck Reference

1. See Wright's "Daylight" book for pictures and drawings of earlier 6-TCA-1 designs along with the early diner articulation design.
   

Modeling Triple Unit Diner Trucks

Central Valley

1. There trucks are for both the Lark and Daylight diners. They are not available now and are not just right for these six-wheel trucks. However they are very close to the prototype and if you look around at the different train shows they show up from time to time. The operating quality is well worth the trade off for just the right looking trucks.
   

D&G Models

1. D&G Models makes the necessary trucks for the ends. The D&G trucks are probably the best you can get, and are accurate to a fault. The six-wheel trucks under the articulated sections of the three-unit diner/coffee shop/kitchen sets. Replace the Soho trucks with D&Gs but you’ll have to keep the six-axle brass clunkers for the middle pair.
   

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3. The D&G trucks are indeed the best around, but they do not belong on the Shasta triple-unit diners. Those cars had 41-N-11 (SP class 4-TC-8) 4-wheel trucks at the car ends.
   

Coach Yard

1. Coach yards makes the trucks for the articulated ends.
   

Walthers

1. The new Walthers 10-6 sleeper will have a similar truck to the 4-TC designs which may be usable for the ends at least.
   

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Articulated Diner Sheathing

1. #10277-78-79
   

2. The articulated diner set 10277-10279 was rebuilt from corrugated to smooth sheathing in June 1962; all three cars were done at the same time.
   

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Paint

Triple Unit Diner Paint

1. In 1952 thru 1954 all the Golden State (GS) cars were repainted Simulated Stainless Steel with Daylight Red letterboard stripes edged in black.
   

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3. Starting in 1958 all cars, except COSF cars, began the transition to Simulated Stainless Steel or natural stainless steel with Scarlet letterboard stripes with no black edging.
   

4. Jeff Cauthen
   

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6. Most Daylight cars wound up in stainless steel with a red stripe or painted silver with a red stripe. One of the Shasta Daylight 3 unit diners remained in red/orange until after it was retired. The Lark and Cascade 3 unit diners were painted silver with the red stripe.
   

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8. The Sunset's paint job was adopted by SP for most of their passenger equipment.
   

9. Mike Tisdale
   

Underbodies Paint

1. Underbodies and trucks were black originally, but after 6 months or so the Dark Gray was adopted for trucks and underbodies. 
   

2. Jeff Cauthen
   

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Lettering & Numbering

1. In 1952 thru 1954 all the Golden State (GS) cars were repainted Simulated Stainless Steel with Daylight Red letterboard stripes edged in black.
   

2. The Sunset Budd cars were originally painted with Daylight Red letterboard stripes edged in black.
   

Reference

1. Refer to Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 4: Dining Service Cars, Chapter 7 for complete coverage of the Daylight triple-units. The Cascade and Lark cars will be covered in Volume 5.
   

2. Jeff Cauthen
   

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Surviving Articulated Diner Cars

1. Two sets are in Iowa and will soon be operating in Golden, MO on a diner train. These are former Grand Traverse diner train cars and were listed on Ozark Mountain Railcar.
   

2. Stuart Spencer
   

3.                                                                                 http://www.trainweb.org/sp5623/
   

4.                                                                                 http://sp5472.ncry.org/
   

5.                                                                                 http://sp1218.ncry.org/
   

6.                                                                                 http://sp9010.ncry.org/
   

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Specific Articulated Diners

57-AD  Articulated Diner

57-AD-1  Articulated Diner  (Kitchen)

1. #10251
   

2. #10254
   

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4. The 1939 and 1941 articulated kitchen cars originally had one center door flanked by loading windows on the kitchen side. The 1941 kitchen cars came with a low loading door on the aisle side. The 1939 kitchen cars had this low loading door added later. The loading windows were replaced by doors in 1952 or thereabouts.
   

5. Jeff Cauthen
   

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7. #10251 & 10254 have a two-piece loading door in the center and a two-piece loading window at each end.
   

   The Coast and Shasta Daylight articulated units were 70-AD-1, 57-AD-1, 70-AD-2, etc.

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 283, 292, 295

Drawing

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 288

Paint

    Morning Daylight colors.

Lettering & Numbering

1. Concerning the "SOUTHERN PACIFIC" letterboard, the 'N' of SOUTHERN, is centered over the middle of the 'Daylight' w/herald sign below.
   

Reference

1. Model Railroader October 1948               - Plans for: SP 10250 - 10255 Triple Artic. Diner
   

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57-AD-2  Articulated Diner  (Kitchen)

1. #10257
   

2. #10260
   

3. The articulated kitchen cars both have 3 two-piece loading doors.
   

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 302-303, 306, 309

Drawing

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 303

Paint

    Morning Daylight colors.

Lettering & Numbering

1. Concerning the "SOUTHERN PACIFIC" letterboard, the 'N' of SOUTHERN, is centered over the middle of the 'Daylight' w/herald sign below.
   

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57-AD-3  Articulated Diner  (Kitchen)

    #10263, 10266

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 318, 321, 329-334

70-AD  Articulated Diner

70-AD-1  Articulated Diner

1. #10250
   

2. #10253
   

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    The Coast and Shasta Daylight articulated units were 70-AD-1, 57-AD-1, 70-AD-2, etc.

    steel, seats 72

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 283, 292, 297-300

Drawing

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 287

1. Model Railroader October 1948               - Plans for: SP 10250 - 10255 Triple Artic. Diner   
   

70-AD-2  Articulated Diner  (Coffee Shop)

1. #10252, 10255
   

    steel, seats 80, became Hamburger Grills in 1955

    The Coast and Shasta Daylight articulated units were 70-AD-1, 57-AD-1, 70-AD-2, etc.

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 283, 290, 292

Drawing

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 289

1. Model Railroader October 1948               - Plans for: SP 10250 - 10255 Triple Artic. Diner
   

70-AD-3  Articulated Diner (Coffee Shop-Kitchen-Diner)

1. #10256-57-58    (Articulated Coffee shop #10258/Kitchen #10257/Diner #10256)
   

2. #10259-60-61    (Articulated Coffee Shop #10261/Kitchen #10260/Diner #10259)    Pullman blt. 1941
   

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4. SP actually ordered three complete two-consist sets for the Coast Daylight 98/99:
   

5. 1) the original 1937 set
   

6. 2) a set going into service Jan. 5, 1940 which included the first triple unit diners,
   

7. 3) a set going into service in 1941, which included the second pair of triple unit diners. 
   

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9. According to Richard K. Wright's Daylight Book this train first ran on January 5, 1940 because of the Triple Unit Diner being delivered just prior to that date.
   

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11. Coffee Shop-Kitchen-Dining10258-57-56 was used on the Morning Daylight (Train #98), and ran 4/13/46.
    

12. It used a propane stove and had a loading hatch aisle side of kitchen car.
    

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14. Coffee Shop-Kitchen-Dining10261-60-59 was used on the Lark (Train #76).
    

1. #10259-60-61 Triple-unit Diner were rebuilt into Articulated Chair # 2280-2281 in 1964
   

2. It was steel with 72 seats, and A/C.
   

1. The 3-unit diner was generally operated coffee shop-kitchen-diner, in that order. The coffee shop is the car with ten pair of tables and ten large windows per side, split five and five. The diner has nine pair of tables and nine windows.
   

2. Jim Lancaster
   

1. The last operable triple unit SP diner/lounge, the Cascade Club, has been at the Golden Gate RR museum for many years.
   

Details

Triple Unit Diner Trucks

1. The type of trucks used on the PS #7572, 7573, and 7574 triple unit Diner/Kitchen/Coffee Shop cars were roller bearing equipped 4-TC-8 trucks at the ends and 6-TCA-2 trucks with special bolsters at the articulating ends. Nobody makes these unfortunately.
   

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3. The SP cars used a cup and ball articulated arrangement above the common truck. The C&O, IC, and NYC cars were not articulated and did not share a truck; they were coupled using a drawbar. 
   

Truck Reference

1. See Wright's "Daylight" book for pictures and drawings of earlier 6-TCA-1 designs along with the early diner articulation design.
   

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Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 302-306, 312

Drawing

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 304

Modeling 70-AD-3 Articulated Coffee Shop - Kitchen-Diner

Broadway Limited Daylight

1. Broadway Limited apparently has chosen 3-unit diner numbers 10256-58 and 10259-61. According to Wright's book (p.223 "Daylight Equipment") these particular units were delivered in 1942. Some of the articulated chair cars chosen by BLI are also listed as delivered in 1942.
   

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3. It also may be worth noting that the first consist listed by BLI has at least 10 of the same numbers as the Challenger 1941 Morning Daylight. 
   

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5. All of the BLI car numbers, including the triple unit diners, are from this 1941 set, per Wayner's "Cars, Numbers, and Consists", Page 203.
   

1. Put one small drop of NeverStall (Daylight Sales) oil on each axle end. This lube greatly increases the rolling of the car and is conductive so it doesn't interfere with the power to the lighting. The cars ran fine though 28" radius curves, #6 turnouts and zig zaging thru the s curves. The diaphragms opened up just like they are supposed to and on the larger curves, the full width diaphragms looked just like they are supposed to, connected on the complete train.
   

2. Paul Deis
   

Paint

1. The paint matches the rest of the cars and the engine.
   

2. Paul Deis
   

Lettering & Numbering

1. All the BLI car numbers, including the triple unit diners, are from this ‘41 set, per Wayner's "Cars, Numbers, & Consists", Pg 203. The years will be limited since the cars are lettered with the small "Southern Pacific Lines."
   

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70-AD-4  Articulated Diner  (Coffee Shop)

    #10258, 10261

1. It was a steel car with 80 seats,
   

2. #10262 was rebuilt into Articulated Chair SP 2280 in 1964
   

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 302-303, 306, 308

Drawing

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 303

70-AD-5  Articulated Diner

    #10264, 10267

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 318, 321, 329-334

70-AD-6  Articulated Diner

    #10262, 10265

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 318, 321, 329-334

57-ADL  Articulated Diner Lounge

Articulated Diner - Lounge Cars  (Lark)

    #10277-79  triple unit Diner-Lounge Cars

    Built by Pullman.

    Ran on the Lark (Train #75).

Paint

    Lark two tone gray

Lettering & Numbering

1. In 1941 the Lark diner had the car numbers on the letterboard at the coupler ends of the dorm-kitchen and lounge only. Beginning in 1948 it had diner-lounge at these same ends only -- no lettering at the articulated ends.
   

2. Jeff Cauthen
   

Reference

    PT1-46

57-ADL-1  Articulated Diner - Lounge

   #10275, 10278

  #10275, 10278 Dining Car

     The Lark and Cascade units were 70-ADL-1, 57-ADL-1, 70-ADL-2, etc.

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 437-491

Drawing

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 438

57-ADL-2  Articulated Diner - Lounge

   #10281, 10284            Dining Car

1. The Cascade used this unit.
   

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 437-491

Drawing

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 438

70-ADL  Articulated Diner - Lounge

70-ADL-1  Articulated Diner - Lounge

   #10276, 10279            Lounge Car

     The Lark and Cascade units were 70-ADL-1, 57-ADL-1, 70-ADL-2, etc.

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 437-491

Drawing

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 438

70-ADL-2  Articulated Diner - Lounge

   #10274, 10277            Dormitory-Kitchen Car

     The Lark and Cascade units were 70-ADL-1, 57-ADL-1, 70-ADL-2, etc.

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 437-491

Drawing

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 438

70-ADL-3  Articulated Diner - Lounge

   #10282, 10285            Lounge Car

  #10282 Tavern-Lounge Car

  #10282 Tavern-Lounge Car used on Cascade in 1957.

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 437-491

Drawing

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 438

70-ADL-4  Articulated Diner - Lounge

   #10280, 10283            Dormitory-Kitchen Car

     #10280 & 10283 were known as the Cascade Club when it ran on the Cascade in 1950.

Paint

    #10280 was Two-Tone Gray.

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 437-491

Drawing

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 438

70-ADL-4  Articulated Dorm-Kitchen Unit

Union Station

    Use Union Station #7576 for this Dorm-Kitchen Unit.

64-ACM

64-ACM-1

Specialty Cars

1. City of San Francisco Passenger Cars  (*see T-45/7-15)
   

Articulated coffee shop-kitchen-diner cars

1. 1941 cars SF 609 (Ft. Mason) & SF 610 St. Francis Woods, renumbered SP 10225 and SP 10226, remained assigned to City of San Francisco until 1958, then to unassigned relief service and used on the Daylight. Scrapped 1962
   

Paint

1. Remained painted yellow and grey with original trucks.
   

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