General Information

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Specific Tavern Cars

1. The Tavern typically ran between the single chair car and the straight parlor. As such, it conveniently separated the first class parlor cars from the rest of the train. From a safety standpoint, it's interesting that the cars on either side of the Tavern had their vestibule doors furthest away. This is necessary for the straight parlor doors to be adjacent to the PRO2 observation for loading and unloading.
   

2. Having the single chair vestibule forward means one porter could handle the loading of it and the adjacent articulated chair, but in an emergency situation you'd think you'd want a loading door next to the Tavern. [which you'd have if an articulated car was adjacent to it].
   

3. Jim Gerstley
   

77-T  Tavern Cars

77-T-1  (Lunch-Counter Tavern)

1. #10310-10311  Tavern Coffee Shop
   

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   Pullman built in 1937

   Steel construction, converted to full Tavern in 1938.

   Rebuilt into Dome-Lounges #3603 & 3602 in 1955

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2. The photo of the kitchen in 10310-10311 at page 405 of the Daylight book appears to be a longitudinal vie. Note the curve of the ceiling--and doesn't show the side loading door. The door visible in that photo looks to be the door between the kitchen and  the coffee shop section--the lower photo on pg. 404 is of the same door, this time opened, from the opposite direction. Note the horizontally-oriented rectangular window--the side loading doors presumably had vertically-oriented windows similar to those in the  doors of the articulated kitchen cars. (curiously, there are no exterior builder's shots of these earlier cars in the book).
   

Coal Bin

1. A plan does not show a coal bin. But, before bottled gas was added to the cars, they had to burn something in the stoves. It was either coal or Pres-to-logs. Pres-to-logs were invented in 1930 by the Potlatch Company.
   

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3. The Daylight had a diner and they cooked using coal.
   

4. Tony Thompson
   

Paint

1. SP 10310 Lunch-Counter Tavern in post-1946 lettering - Daylight paint scheme.
   

Lettering & Numbering

1. Reference SP 10310 Lunch-Counter Tavern in post-1946 lettering - Daylight paint scheme, on the letterboard. There is a door to the right of mid-car that splits the letterboard unevenly left-right.
   

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 373

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 206

1.                                                                          Daylight
   

Drawing

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 374

1. The drawings in the Daylight book are incorrect, as the loading doors do not go into the letterboards on the #10310-10311. The R. K. Wright "Daylight" book on page 407 shows a drawing where the loading door intrudes fully into the letterboard, all the way up to the roofline. This may be an error, though, since the photo on the  previous page, 405, shows what appears to be the door opening. It is between the supply/bottle locker and the coal bin, and there is a cabinet above the door, which means the door in the drawing is probably too high.
   

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3. George Trager drew those plans from original P-S plans that showed the door up into the letterboard. Problem is when they built the cars, the doors only went to the bottom of the letterboard.
   

77-T-2

1. #10312 -10313
   

    steel, seats 56, radio and antennae, #10312 converted to Dome-Lounge # 3605 in 1955, #10313 converted to Automat #10600 in 1961

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 201-209

Drawing

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 202

Modeling 77-T-2 Tavern Car

1. No stand-ins are available.
   

2. Jeff Cauthen
   

79-T  Tavern Cars

79-T-1

1. #10314 -10315
   

    steel, Daylight colors, deskirted 1950, #10314 converted to Automat Buffet #10601 in 1961, #10315 became Chair Car # 2239

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 211-220

1.                                                                          Daylight
   

Drawings

Model Railroader October 1948 - Plans for SP 10314, 10315 - Tavern Car

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 212

83-T  Tavern Cars

83-T-1

1. #10316 -10317
   

1. Used on 1949 Shasta Daylight train.
   

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 221-231

Drawings

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 221

Modeling 83-T-1

Union Station

    Use Union Station #7575.

Diner-Lounge Car

77-DL  Diner-Lounge Car

77-DL-1  Diner-Lounge Car

1. T&NO #950-951
   

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 373

Drawing

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 388, 389

83-DL  Diner-Lounge Car

83-DL-1  Diner-Lounge Car

1. #10402-10406
   

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3. Also were Coffee Shop - Lounge Cars as built.
   

4. Three were built for the Golden State and two were built for the City of San Francisco.
   

5. #10402-10404 rebuilt into Hamburger Grill - Lounge Cars in 1955.
   

6. #10405 or 10406, were both retired in December 1968.
   

7. Jeff Cauthen
   

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 373

Drawing

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 407=425

83-DL-2  Diner-Lounge Car

1. #10407-10411
   

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    #10407-10411  Coffee-Shop Lounge Car

1. #10407-10411   rebuilt into Hamburger Grill - Lounge Cars.
   

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 373, 426-427

    Railroad Model Craftsman March 1968 - SP 10407 Series Coffee-Shop Lounge Car (Budd, 1950, SP 10407-10411)

Drawing

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 426

Coffee Shop Cars

Coffee Shop Cars

Passenger Car Antennas

1. Pictures and drawings of the Budd lounge and coffee shops cars show piping or cabling running the length of the roof.  This was the Passenger Car Antenna which were connected to phones that riders and personnel could use. They were like phone antennas
   

Modeling Passenger Car Antennas

1. Check Details Associates or Details West for Antenna holders. Look up Cal Scale Parts, and buy Piano wire of appropriate size, and glue it with CA adhesive.
   

Coffee Shops  (Daylight)

1. #10400-10401
   
   

2. The Daylight coffee shop cars, SP 10400-10401 were delivered to SP in January 1938 for the Coast Daylight. For the time period, 1955, these two cars were operating on the 1950‘s Starlight.
   

Modeling Coffee Shops

1. No stand-ins are available.
   

BLI

1. BLI is not doing the single unit coffee shop car.  
   

Coach Yard

1. The Coach Yard is the only one to have ever done the coffee shop (SP 10400-10401). These are brass and impossible to find.
   

2. Jeff Cauthen
   

Limited Edition

1. Don't forget the Limited Editions kit.
   

2. Frank Fertitta
   

Soho

1. Soho also did the Coffee Shop 10400-10401 cars in brass.
   

Union Station

1. You might find something suitable here:    http://unionstationproducts.com/southern_pacific.html
   

2. Brian Ehni
   

1. 7402 PS Fluted Side Coffee Shop (Built in 1938 for the Coast Daylight)
   

2. 7402-R PS Coffee Shop Rebuild (with smooth sides, high narrow kitchen windows, and no side skirts)
   

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Wright Enterpirses

1. Dick Wright did do some of these cars as special order only. 
   

2. Jeff Cauthen
   

Cafe Lounge (Parlor) Cars

72-O

1. #10900-10906
   

2. Arched roof diner.
   

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 350, 368

Drawing

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 4: Dining Service Cars, pg. 353, 356

Modeling 72-O  Coffee Shop - Lounge

Coach Yard

1. Use Coach Yard SP diner item #1153 to model coffee shop - lounge car #10900. It's an arched roof diner, the unpainted and air-conditioned one from 15 or 20 years ago.
   

2. Jeff Cauthen
   

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