Southern Pacific Lines

Coast Line Division 

“The Route of the Octopus”

 
 

General Information

Baggage Car Plans

  1. Prototype Modeler Mar/Apr 1984                                                - SP 70ft Baggage kitbash

  2. Model Railroader February 1950                                                          - Plans, SP 60ft Baggage Car, steel

  3. Railroad Model Craftsman September 1954                                          - Plans, SP Baggage Turtleback 40ft.

  4. Model Railroader October 2001, pg. 90                                                - Plans, SP Baggage Cars


Modeling Baggage Cars

Ken Kidder Baggage Car Kit

  1. The Kidder models also have a few discrepancies from the SP prototype baggage cars, and were originally sold with no underbody equipment at all. But most of the appearance is all right for SP, and underbody detail is readily added. They are certainly not great models, but aside from the too-low roof arch, they are really pretty decent overall.

  2. Tony Thompson


  1. It needs end stirrups and baggage door stirrups. Use Kit Bits corner stirrups and Cal Scale baggage door steps. Kit Bits is Bethlehem Car Works - google Kit Bits and it will take you to hundreds of specialty passenger car parts. Cal Scale is of course, widely available. The Kit Bit parts to check out are #86 and #87.

  2. Paul Chandler

Model Die Casting

  1. For 60-foot baggage cars in HO scale, a kind of approximation to these cars, were the old Model Die Casting baggage cars. It is not terribly accurate in several details, and suffers from the defect of the entire MDC arch-roof passenger car series: rivets the scale size of grapefruits. To improve one of these cars, you can sand off the roof rivets. But these can be reworked sufficiently to serve, amongst better baggage cars.

  2. Tony Thompson

Southern Car & Foundry

  1. If you've assembled a resin freight car kit or a detailed plastic freight car kit, you shouldn't have any problems. The resulting model is very nice. There was some fiddly work on the underframe for all the battery boxes and break gear, but overall it wasn't bad. The castings were very clean and square, and there were no flaws in the main body.

  2. Robert                                                              http://vasonabranch.blogspot.com


  1. The instructions are adequate if your an experienced resin kit build. If this is your first resin kit, the instructions assume a lot. You’ll spend a lot of time filing the doors and door openings to get the doors to fit properly. Find the end double stirrup steps and the baggage door stirrups ready made too, rather than making them as the instructions say.

  2. Paul Chandler


  1. Robert has a video somewhere (Youtube?) explaining how to put the etched brass steps together, probably the hardest part of building the kits.


Details

Underbody

  1. The prototype underbody is typified by a battery box on one side only, with one of the brake system reservoirs visible on the other side (and an electrical generator, if one had been fitted).

  2. Tony Thompson

Trucks

Bethlehem Car Works

  1. You want 8'0" wheelbase, Commonwealth four wheel trucks. Bethlehem Car Works makes some. I think the model used on the prototype was 41-R. Here is a similar Pullman design truck:

  2.                                                                         http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/933-1077

Central Valley

  1. The old Central Valley trucks had a 9'0" wheelbase.

Walther's

  1. Walther's trucks are inexpensive and accurate. The bolster (on the car) needs serious modifications to accommodate these trucks, but a few scraps of evergreen tubing will do the trick. You have to drill out the bolster and cement in two concentric tubes to give the truck something to swivel on.

  2. Tim O'


SP Baggage Cars it never had

  1. SP never had any baggage cars ever numbered 3500-3509

Modeling SP Baggage Cars It Never Had

Walthers

  1. #932-10509, AC&F 70' Heavyweight Baggage Car, : SP 3500-3509

  2. SP never had any baggage cars ever numbered 3500-3509


Reference

  1. For building information RMJ had an article in July 2004 p21 which can be found on www.trainlife.com It is for a UP car but does provide some clues on how to build the underframe. Also UP Modeler Vol 3 (out of print) has an article on Harriman Cars which includes some images of SP cars and an accompanying model building article but again for a UP car.


  3. The RMJ article talks about using PSC parts for the end steps but they seem to be out of stock everywhere.

  4. Denis





Specific Baggage Cars

40-B  Harriman Cars

40-B class  Baggage Cars

40-B   40’ Postal cars

  1. 40’ RPO cars  SP 4239, SP 4341 original numbers, went SP de Mexico, regained SP numbers in early ‘40’s, scrapped 1950.


  3. H&TC 250, SP 6008 rebuilt to baggage-mail car, 1921, to T&NO 250, 1931, then renumbered SP 6008 1943 to baggage express, class 40-B retired 1955 to MW 2132 1957


  5. H&TC 251  SP 6009 rebuilt baggage-mail 1924, to T&NO 251 1931, ex-T&NO 251, renumbered SP 6009, 1943 to baggage-express, class 40-B, retired 1955 to caboose SP 475, 1957, now at CSRM

Reference

                                                                               Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 73-77


60-B  Harriman Cars

60-B class  Baggage Cars

  1. These head end equipment were used on the Coast Mail. The Lark did not use these.

  2. Tony Thompson

Wheel diameter

  1. The correct wheel diameter is 36".

  2. Gene Deimling

B-60 trucks

  1. SP diagrams all show 8-ft wheel-base for the 4-wheel trucks used on HW cars. Also, the Pullman 4-wheel truck, No. 104 had an 8-ft. wheel-base.

  2. Jeff Cauthen

Identification

  1. In regards to heavyweight baggage cars, roof ventilators help to indicate a different class car. Example: 60-B-1 steel baggage was built with globe ventilators. As to car class, vents are a clue, but so are doors, windows, and trucks. If you know car number, you'll know the class. Roof vents did get changed and/or removed over the years.

Lettering & Numbering

  1. The size (height) of the Dulux Gold post-1946 "Southern Pacific" lettering on 60-B class baggage cars was 5" high.

References

                                                                               Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 59


  1. For more details, see Night Trains of the Coast Route and Day Trains of the Coast Route by Ryan and Shine.

  2. Tony Thompson

Drawing

                                                                               Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 217, 257-258

  1. Plans, SP 60ft Baggage Car, steel                         Model Railroader February 1950

Modeling B-60 trucks

Athearn

  1. HO Truck, Commonwealth (2pair) You might want to look at this truck not bad for 8 bucks.

  2. [ATH90393]

  3. Bob Liberman

Central Valley Trucks

  1. CV trucks are good if you can find them. Central Valley Trucks HO, The T-25 has the rivets embossed on the side frames and the T-31 is the same truck with smooth frames. Watch out for trucks where the foam has deteriorated and adhered to the wheels or frames - sometimes can be hard to remove.

  2. Pete Hall

IHC

  1. International Hobby Corp. made a 9', four wheeled Commonwealth Passenger Truck. They were metal and sprung with nickel silver wheels. They rolled quite well. They had what appeared to me full brake rigging. Don't think they are still made.

  2. Jim Elliot

Walthers

  1. The Walthers REA reefer trucks might work also.

  2. Bob Liberman


60-B-1~8 Harriman Cars

  1. #6015-16, 6167-69, 6314, 6316, 6318-20, 6322, 6324, 6325, 6328, 6330, 6343

  2. 6321


    #6601-6700  Baggage-economy    steel, assigned to Daylight in 1968, 23 called Star Baggage's or TBM, *see MR 9/93

Wheel diameter

  1. The correct wheel diameter is 36".

  2. Gene Deimling

Lettering & Numbering

  1. The size (height) of the Dulux Gold post-1946 "Southern Pacific" lettering on 60-B class baggage cars was 5" high.

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 209, 221-223, 236

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 222

Modeling 60-B-1

MDC (Model Die Casting) Harriman Baggage Car

  1. You can make a passable 60-B-1 baggage car from an MDC Harriman baggage car kit. The baggage car is the correct length. The coaches are about 7 feet too short. Windows on the coaches are also too low, and make the car look wrong. First, the trucks that come with the kit are too small. The trucks need to be moved out so they're 52' apart -- about 3' out on each end. They also need to be replaced with the 8' wheelbase trucks. The underframe's also too plain. Fabricate a new underframe from sheet plastic, detailed it, and body mounted the couplers. The roof is pretty good as-is. Switch the air vents from the round ones to the squarish utility vents (Precision Scale part 33186), and filled the holes for the old vents.

  2. Robert Bowdidge

Southern Car & Foundry  (#1003)

  1. Southern Car & Foundry makes a resin 60ft baggage 60-B-1

  2.                                                                                   http://www.southerncarandfoundry.com/

Wheels of Time

  1. Wheels of Time just released the 60-B class in the "Lines" scheme. You can do the post '46 scheme on these models.

Lettering & Numbering

MicroScale

  1. MicroScale set #60-1165. They offer two sizes.


60-B-2 Harriman Cars

  1. 6170-73, 6175-77, 6181-83, 6184, 6185-87, 6189, 6191

  2. 6320-6325, 6326, 6327, 6329, 6331, 6333-41, 6343-45, 6347, 6349-6354


296-299

  1. The Business-service economy baggage cars coming from The Coach Yard mentions SP 296-299 as being of *Pullman-Standard* construction. These cars were originally PC&F cars rebuilt & repainted from the 66-B-2 class of  economy baggage cars with the freight car roof profile.


  1. This type of head-end car was used on the Coast Mail train in the 40’s and 50’s.

Details

Wheel diameter

  1. The correct wheel diameter is 36".

  2. Gene Deimling

Lettering & Numbering

  1. The size (height) of the Dulux Gold post-1946 "Southern Pacific" lettering on 60-B class baggage cars was 5" high.


  1. The B end of the car (identified by an external handbrake lever, but always by the end toward which the brake cylinder “points”). That is the end of the car which, on both sides, carries the legend “BAGGAGE,” while the other end, on both sides, says “RAILWAY EXPRESS AGENCY.” 

  2. Tony Thompson 

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 103, 230-233

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 222

Modeling 60-B-2

Southern Car & Foundry

  1. Southern Car & Foundry makes a resin 60ft baggage 60-B-2. Be careful when adding weight in the center of the model floor. The floor has no real center sill and is thus a fairly thin casting and can bow in the center.

  2.                                                                        http://www.southerncarandfoundry.com

Wheels of Time

  1. Wheels of Time just released the 60-B class in the "Lines" scheme. You can do the post '46 scheme on these models.

Lettering & Numbering

MicroScale

  1. MicroScale set #60-1165. They offer two sizes.

Thin Film  (set HO-160)

  1. By far the best HO decal set for the (“SP Heavyweight and Harriman Dulux Gold Lettering.” The film truly is thin, and the gold color excellent over a Dark Olive Green color.  http://thinfilmdecals.com


60-B-3 Harriman Cars

    #6017, 6018, 6192, 6193, 6195, 6349-52, 6354


  1. 12 built in 1910.

  2. These cars were delivered with steel baggage doors, but most cars in later years had paneled wood doors, as in the photos above. The original configuration of vents and other equipment on the roof varied according to how and when the car had been shopped, though most of these cars did retain their Globe vents, as above. The prototype underbody is typified by a battery box on one side only (right), with one of the brake system reservoirs visible on the other side (and an electrical generator, if one had been fitted).

  3. Tony Thompson

Wheel diameter

  1. The correct wheel diameter is 36".

  2. Gene Deimling

Lettering & Numbering

  1. The size (height) of the Dulux Gold post-1946 "Southern Pacific" lettering on 60-B class baggage cars was 5" high.

  2. The words “BAGGAGE” were on both sides.

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 234-238

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 222

Modeling 60-B-3

Southern Car & Foundry

  1. Southern Car & Foundry makes a resin 60ft baggage 60-B-3

  2.                                                                        http://www.southerncarandfoundry.com/

Wheels of Time

  1. Wheels of Time just released the 60-B class in the "Lines" scheme. You can do the post '46 scheme on these models.

Tony Thompson Kitbash  (#6018)

  1. On the "B" end corner you can see some interesting looking brake chains and linkage.

                                                               http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/10/modeling-sp-passenger-cars-head-end-cars.html

Lettering & Numbering

MicroScale

  1. MicroScale set #60-1165. They offer two sizes.

Thin Film

  1. Letter with “Harriman” decals set HO-160.


60-B-4 Harriman Cars

    #6019-22, 6196-201

    #6400-05, 6407-15

Wheel diameter

  1. The correct wheel diameter is 36".

  2. Gene Deimling

Paint

  1. #6400 was painted two-tone gray.

Lettering & Numbering

  1. The size (height) of the Dulux Gold post-1946 "Southern Pacific" lettering on 60-B class baggage cars was 5" high.

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 234, 240-245

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 222

Modeling 60-B-4

Southern Car & Foundry

  1. Southern Car & Foundry makes a resin 60ft baggage 60-B-4

  2.                                                                        http://www.southerncarandfoundry.com/

Wheels of Time

  1. Wheels of Time just released the 60-B class in the "Lines" scheme. You can do the post '46 scheme on these models.

Lettering & Numbering

MicroScale

  1. MicroScale set #60-1165. They offer two sizes.


60-B-5  Baggage Head-End Cars

  1. #6203-6208,  6419, 6422-6430

   #6210, 6211, 6416, 6421

Wheel diameter

  1. The correct wheel diameter is 36".

  2. Gene Deimling

Upgraded Messenger Facilities

  1. #6205 Baggage Car had the "circle star" over the car number indicating it was equipped with upgraded messenger facilities. The upgrade was enclosed toilet (hopper) and sink with desk, wardrobe closet, and water cooler.

  2. Jeff Cauthen

Paint

  1. #6034, 6205 & 6207 all were painted two-tone gray.

  2. #6204 was painted Daylight for service on San Joaquin Daylight.

Lettering & Numbering

  1. The size (height) of the Dulux Gold post-1946 "Southern Pacific" lettering on 60-B class baggage cars was 5" high.

“Circle Star”

  1. #6205, 6249 had the “circle star” over the car number indicating it was equipped with upgraded messenger facilities.

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 189, 246-251

  1.                                                                        http://www.utahrails.net/  by Don Strack

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 222

Modeling 60-B-5 Baggage-Postal Head-End Cars

Precision Scale

  1.                                                                        http://www.uncledavesbrass.com/CY-SP-08961-CM-BAG-TTG-6218-F17.jpg

  2. Tim O'Connor

Southern Car & Foundry

  1. Southern Car & Foundry makes a resin 60ft baggage 60-B-5

  2.                                                                         http://www.southerncarandfoundry.com/

Wheels of Time

  1. Wheels of Time just released the 60-B class in the "Lines" scheme. You can do the post '46 scheme on these models.

Lettering & Numbering

Decals

MicroScale

  1. MicroScale set #60-1165. They offer two sizes.


60-B-6 Harriman Cars

  1. 6023, 6215-18, 6220

  2. 6355, 6357

  3. 6431-6434, 6435-6438


Wheel diameter

  1. The correct wheel diameter is 36".

  2. Gene Deimling

Lettering & Numbering

  1. The size (height) of the Dulux Gold post-1946 "Southern Pacific" lettering on 60-B class baggage cars was 5" high.

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 224, 251-254

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 222

Modeling 60-B-6

Southern Car & Foundry

  1. Southern Car & Foundry makes a resin 60ft baggage 60-B-6

  2.                                                                        http://www.southerncarandfoundry.com/

Wheels of Time

  1. Wheels of Time just released the 60-B class in the "Lines" scheme. You can do the post '46 scheme on these models.

Lettering & Numbering

MicroScale

  1. MicroScale set #60-1165. They offer two sizes.


60-B-7 Harriman Cars

Wheel diameter

  1. The correct wheel diameter is 36".

  2. Gene Deimling

Lettering & Numbering

  1. The size (height) of the Dulux Gold post-1946 "Southern Pacific" lettering on 60-B class baggage cars was 5" high.

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 261-262

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 222, 263

Modeling 60-B-7

Southern Car & Foundry

  1. Southern Car & Foundry makes a resin 60ft baggage 60-B-7

  2.                                                                        http://www.southerncarandfoundry.com/

Wheels of Time

  1. Wheels of Time just released the 60-B class in the "Lines" scheme. You can do the post '46 scheme on these models.

Lettering & Numbering

Decals

MicroScale

  1. MicroScale set #60-1165. They offer two sizes.


60-B-8 Harriman Cars

    #6025-29, 6031-34, 6223

Wheel diameter

  1. The correct wheel diameter is 36".

  2. Gene Deimling

Paint

  1. #6029 was painted Daylight for service on San Joaquin Daylight.

Lettering & Numbering

  1. The size (height) of the Dulux Gold post-1946 "Southern Pacific" lettering on 60-B class baggage cars was 5" high.

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 169, 264, 266-268

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 222, 265

Modeling 60-B-8

Southern Car & Foundry

  1. Southern Car & Foundry makes a resin 60ft baggage 60-B-8

  2.                                                                        http://www.southerncarandfoundry.com/

Wheels of Time

  1. Wheels of Time just released the 60-B class in the "Lines" scheme. You can do the post '46 scheme on these models.

Lettering & Numbering

Decals

MicroScale

  1. MicroScale set #60-1165. They offer two sizes.


60-B-9 Harriman Cars (Heavyweight)

  1. SP #6035-6044, 6227-6231 


  1. It was built in 1921 for the Central Pacific.

Wheel diameter

  1. The correct wheel diameter is 36".

  2. Gene Deimling

Lettering & Numbering

  1. The size (height) of the Dulux Gold post-1946 "Southern Pacific" lettering on 60-B class baggage cars was 5" high.

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 269-273

   There's a Picture of 60-B-9 on page 106 of "Night Trains of the coast" -- no batt box visible, at least one tank and page 146.

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 270

Modeling 60-B-9 Baggage Car

Kidder Harriman 60 ft. baggage

  1. An old Kidder 60 ft. Harriman baggage car, which has similar overall body dimensions but a different door pattern--instead of one 7 ft door and one 4 ft. 10 in. door on each side like the MDC car it has two 7 ft. doors on each side. Recognizing that many details, such as the roof vents, will likely need modification.

Roundhouse / Model Die Casting (Athearn)

  1. Terry Metcalfe's Vol. 3 Union Pacific Modeler says that the (nominal) prototype for the Roundhouse/MDC 60 ft. Harriman baggage car is SP's 60-B-9 and 60-B-10 classes. 


  3. Kitbash the MDC kit. Read Western Prototype Modeler Mar/Apr 1976

Wheels of Time

  1. Wheels of Time just released the 60-B class in the "Lines" scheme. You can do the post '46 scheme on these models.

Lettering & Numbering

Decals

MicroScale

  1. MicroScale set #60-1165. They offer two sizes.


60-B-10 Hw Baggage Car

  1. SP #6045-6054, 6232-6241


  1. The 60-B-10's had one big and one small door on each side.

Wheel diameter

  1. The correct wheel diameter is 36".

  2. Gene Deimling

Lettering & Numbering

  1. The size (height) of the Dulux Gold post-1946 "Southern Pacific" lettering on 60-B class baggage cars was 5" high.

1917 scheme

  1. Researching in Vol 1 SPPC book what the lettering on SP 60-B-10 baggage car #6235 it looks like it would have been delivered with "Southern Pacific Lines" in the letterboard and had CP over 6235 with lines above and below.

1931 scheme

  1. In Sept 1931 it would have been relettered SP #6235 (CP identity dropped) with the initials and number in a straight line.


  3. In 1931, periods were dropped in reporting marks and subsidiary lettering was dropped also.

  4. Tony Thompson

1946 scheme

  1. "Lines" was dropped in June, 1946. That change (like other changes) would have awaited repainting opportunities. Head-end equipment was well down the queue when it came to keeping paint and lettering current.

  2. Tony Thompson

References

                                                                  Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 88, 92, 94-97, 274-277

                                                                  PLA, Sunol, Ca.

Modeling 60-B-10 Baggage Car

Kidder Harriman 60 ft. baggage

  1. An old Kidder 60 ft. Harriman baggage car, which has similar overall body dimensions but a different door pattern--instead of one 7 ft door and one 4 ft. 10 in. door on each side like the MDC car it has two 7 ft. doors on each side. Recognizing that many details, such as the roof vents, will likely need modification.

Roundhouse / MDC  (Athearn)

  1. A 1976 article in Western Prototype Modeler, and Terry Metcalfe's Vol. 3 Union Pacific Modeler says that the (nominal) prototype for the Roundhouse/MDC 60 ft. Harriman baggage car is SP's 60-B-9 and 60-B-10 classes. 


  1. Even though the Roundhouse model isn't perfect it is a fair starting point in making the model. The overall length is correct and the door size and spacing is close (the 60-B-10's had one big and one small door on each side just like the model). The most glaring problem with it from my standpoint isn't the rivets, it is the trucks. The trucks supplied have too small of a wheelbase and are too far from the ends making the car loose the beefy look of the prototype. Putting Central Valley T-25 or comparable bolted pedistal trucks and moving the truck centers closer to the car end really changed the look of the car. Replacing the round roof vents with Detail Associates Harriman style roof vents is an important change too. I'm still looking for a source of steps that match the prototype. I think the Custom Finishing 40 inch steps will work along with their 50" battery box (if any of you have better options please let me know). The model has some serious flaws but can be made so that it looks good enough going around your layout.

  2. Joe Mann

Model Die Casting

  1. SP 6045-6054, 6232-6241

Wheels of Time

  1. Wheels of Time just released the 60-B class in the "Lines" scheme. You can do the post '46 scheme on these models.

Lettering & Numbering

MicroScale

  1. MicroScale set #60-1165. They offer two sizes.



65-B  Harriman Cars

65-B class  Baggage Cars

  1. SP owned (or at least used) some steel, monitor-roof 60- or 65-ft baggage cars as shown in photographs in Tom Dill's "Southern Pacific's San Joaquin Valley Line", page 39, first car behind 4367, and in John Signor's "Southern Pacific-Santa Fe Tehachapi", page 154, first car behind #4230.



69-B  Harriman baggage cars

69-B  Harriman baggage cars

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 292-294, 368-376



70-B  Harriman baggage cars

  1. 70-B Harriman cars baggage cars - streamlined in 1941 for service on the Lark and San Joaquin. Used on #9 and 10 trains.

  2. (SP 6083, 6084, 6085, 6088, 6091, 6092)


  4. The Lark used mostly 70' express baggage cars. They did use 60' RPOs on the train.


  6. For more details, see Night Trains of the Coast Route and Day Trains of the Coast Route by Ryan and Shine.

  7. Tony Thompson

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 369-383

Modeling 70-B Baggage Car

Challenger

    SP Harriman Stream-styled Baggage Car SP 6088 Ptd for Lark.



70' ACF baggage car

  1. All SP 70' baggage cars had arch roofs. The only SP clerestory baggage heavyweights were some horse cars. The last order of 70' horse cars with clerestory roofs had three doors. Checking through the SPH&TS "Diagrams of Common Standard Passenger Train Cars" you won’t find any baggage cars with clerestory roofs other than the horse cars. EP&SW had 66' baggage cars with clerestory roofs.

Modeling 70' ACF baggage car

Walthers

  1. 932-10509, AC&F 70' Baggage, : SP 3500-3509

  2. SP never had any baggage cars ever numbered 3500-3509


  4. SP ACF 70' heavyweight baggage car as modeled by Walthers. The only SP clearstory baggage heavyweights were some horse cars, not anything like the Walthers 70- footer. EP&SW had 66' baggage cars with clerestory roofs, but they didn't look at all like the Walthers car. Model Railroader reviewed the car and said it was a MoPac prototype and close to B&O.


  6. The SP did not have any copies of the new Walthers ACF Baggage Car. The only ones that are slightly similar (not very) were former EP&SW cars, but they were 66-foot cars.


70-B-1   Baggage Head-End Cars

    #6460-6463

    70ft baggage Harriman Cars

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 280-282, 285, 363

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 280, 284

Modeling 70-B-1

Southern Car & Foundry  (#1002)

  1. Southern Car & Foundry makes a resin 70ft baggage 70-B-1.

                                                                             http://www.southerncarandfoundry.com

Precision Scale Trucks

  1. If your planning to mount the brass trucks from Precision Scale, you have to build up the car bolsters in order to get the clearance needed for the trucks to navigate 36" radius curves without hitting the center sills. Secondly, in looking at the trucks themselves, there are two holes on the piece that would attach to the car bolster, unlike Walthers HW trucks which have a single (overly large) hole to mount the truck. The truck should be mounted through one of the two holes, even though they are not exactly in the center of the truck.

  2. Jim Eaton



70-B-3   Baggage Head-End Cars

    70ft baggage Harriman Cars

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 280, 292

  1.                                                                        http://www.utahrails.net/  by Don Strack

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 280

Modeling 70-B- 3 Baggage Head-End Cars

Southern Car & Foundry

  1. Southern Car & Foundry makes a resin 70ft baggage 70-B-3.

                                                                             http://www.southerncarandfoundry.com


70-B~4   Baggage Head-End Cars

  1. SP 108-112

    70ft baggage Harriman Cars


  1. Photos show that most of the Harriman cars have a side drip strip above the doors shaped in what would be termed an arc. Others appear to have two straight strips which angle upward to join above the middle of the door.

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 295, 296, 304

  1.                                                                        http://www.utahrails.net/  by Don Strack

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 296, 304

Modeling 70-B- 4 Baggage Head-End Cars

Athearn

  1. Photos show that most of the Harriman cars have a side drip strip above the doors shaped in what would be termed an arc. Others appear to have two straight strips which angle upward to join above the middle of the door. You can have the strip cast into the roof or as an add on. If the strip is cast into the roof, it will be in the arc shape.


  3. If you’ve had the experience of putting 0.005-inch strip onto a roof for this purpose, you’ld much prefer a cast-on arc strip. (That was on the kitbashed Athearn 70ft. baggage with windows which can be replaced with the SC&F kit).

  4. Tony Thompson

Southern Car & Foundry

  1. Southern Car & Foundry makes a resin 70ft baggage 70-B-4.

                                                                             http://www.southerncarandfoundry.com


  2. Headend cars like coaches and chair cars went through changes over the years (like initially being gas lit, later electrically lit, etc.). Perhaps early RPO's had upper sash winds, and vestibule end windows. They were a little short on vestibules, air conditioning...then again, air conditioning came after your era anyway. You can learn a great deal about the patterns of car modification and upgrade from Volume 1.


70-B-5  Baggage Head-End Cars

  1. #6474-6484

   #6486-6496

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 245, 303-306

  1.                                                                        http://www.utahrails.net/  by Don Strack

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 296, 304

Modeling 70-B- 5 Baggage Head-End Cars

Southern Car & Foundry

                                                                             http://www.southerncarandfoundry.com


70-B-6  Baggage Head-End Cars

  1. #6055

  2. #6061, 6069

  3. #6252, 6307-6309

Paint

    #6055 dark green

Lettering & Numbering

    #6055 w/ dulux lettering

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 304, 306, 379

  1.                                                                        http://www.utahrails.net/  by Don Strack

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 296, 304

Modeling 70-B- 6 Baggage Head-End Cars

Southern Car & Foundry

                                                                             http://www.southerncarandfoundry.com


70-B-7  Baggage Head-End Cars

    #6055-60, 6062-6068, 6070-82

Paint

  1. SP #6080 Class 70-B-7 was painted in simulated stainless steel paint. The entire car was painted SSS, roof, car body, underbody, and trucks. 

  2. Jeff Cauthen

Lettering & Numbering

  1. Letterboard was Daylight Red with black edging.  SP lettering was Lettering Gray.  Car number was black.

  2. Jeff Cauthen

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 304, 307-310

  1.                                                                        http://www.utahrails.net/  by Don Strack

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 296, 304

Modeling 70-B- 7 HW Baggage Head-End Cars

Southern Car & Foundry

  1.                                                                        http://www.southerncarandfoundry.com/


70-B-8  Baggage Head-End Cars

  1. #6083-84       assigned to Lark later Cascade in 1957, Starlight.

  2. #6085            streamlined Daylight colors

  3. #6086-6091

  4. #6092            equipped w/ Roller Bearings

Paint

  1. #6083-84       assigned to Lark later Cascade, Starlight, #6083 streamlined 2 tone gray,

  2. #6085            streamlined Daylight colors

Lettering & Numbering


References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 304, 311-319

  1.                                                                        http://www.utahrails.net/  by Don Strack

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 296, 304, 313

Modeling 70-B- 8 Baggage Head-End Cars

Southern Car & Foundry

                                                                             http://www.southerncarandfoundry.com


70-B-9  Baggage Head-End Cars

  1. #6444             with windows built by Standard Steel Car Co.

  2. #6449-6453    A/C, no windows, built by Standard Steel Car Co.

  3. #6474-6496    had windows, built by Standard Steel Car Co.

Paint

  1. #6448 painted Daylight for San Joaquin Daylight.

Lettering & Numbering

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 297, 320-323, 326

  1.                                                                        http://www.utahrails.net/  by Don Strack

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 320

Modeling 70-B- 9 Baggage Head-End Cars

Athearn Kitbash

                                                                          Prototype Modeler (Vol. 7, No. 6, March-April 1984, pages 39–44).

  1. Obtain one car with correct windows and reasonable looking doors and other details, and a second car which really isn't too accurate but was at least a 70-foot baggage car with an arch roof and equal-size doors. Use the Utility vents typical of SP classes

  2. 70-B-9 and -10 for these models.

  3. Tony Thompson

Southern Car & Foundry

                                                                             http://www.southerncarandfoundry.com


70-B-10  Baggage Head-End Cars

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 324

Modeling 70-B- 10 Baggage Head-End Cars

Athearn Kitbash

                                                                          Prototype Modeler (Vol. 7, No. 6, March-April 1984, pages 39–44).

  1. Obtain one car with correct windows and reasonable looking doors and other details, and a second car which really isn't too accurate but was at least a 70-foot baggage car with an arch roof and equal-size doors. Use the Utility vents typical of SP classes

  2. 70-B-9 and -10 for these models.

  3. Tony Thompson




72-B  Harriman Baggage Cars

  1. SP never owned a 72' baggage car.

  2.                                                                                     http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?june04/06-04-04/SPMW_

Modeling 72’ Baggage Head-End Cars

Walthers Streamlined Pullman-Standard 72' Baggage Car

  1. This model is not SP correct. It's a GN car.                 http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-6805




Lightweight Baggage Cars  (Economy Baggage)

66-B  Economy Baggage Cars

  1. Express Baggage cars Espee purchased in the early 1960s, the bi-level commute coaches used in Peninsula service.

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 374, 396-399


66-B-1 Business-Service Economy Baggage Car

  1. SP #6601 - 6700

  2. SP ordered the 6600 series from St. Louis Car in 1960-61

  3. The plan was  to minimize construction costs and design them for easy conversion  to freight service.

  4. (100 Cars) The 66-B-1 cars are 66 feet 2 1/2 inches over the end sills and 70 feet 1/2 inch coupled.

  5. Many of the "Econo-Baggies" were retired prior to Amtrak. SP then used them as storage buildings, yardmaster's offices, tool & material cars, crane relief cars, etc. At least three were "sold" to NWP to become the carman's shower facilities at South Bay, an office bunk car and "boarding", whatever that meant. A few were sold to the T&NO and then returned to the SP.

Trucks

  1. Passenger cars, Volume 3, states that all of the 6600 series ran on trucks classified as 4-T-1.

#6601-6640

  1. weighed approximately 82,600 pounds each. These cars to plan 6018 were not outfitted for messenger service and were not delivered with battery boxes or electric generators. There were also external differences detailed in the book.

  2. Jim Scott

#6641-6650

  1. were star equipped for messenger service to plan 6017. They weighed approximately 90,400 pounds. The book details the outside configuration and the inside configuration in detail.

  2. Jim Scott

#6651- 6700

  1. weighed approximately 82,600 pounds each. These cars to plan 6018 were not outfitted for messenger service and were not delivered with battery boxes or electric generators. There were also external differences detailed in the book.

  2. Jim Scott

Paint

  1. The 66-B-1s were all delivered in solid gray.

Lettering & Numbering

  1. There are no doubt other SP passenger cars painted into solid gray. No passenger cars had black edging on the lettering after 1958, so set #159 should be ok. Lettering was lettering gray (silver gray) without black edging. Just make sure the letterboard is Scarlet, not Daylight Red.

Decals

Microscale

  1. Microscale makes a set for a General Service decal scheme.

Thinfilm

  1. Thinfilm #159 would be the right decal set for economy baggage cars, used on many trains.

  2. #159 SP Post-1958 all-Gray cars, lettering gray no outline.


  4. Thinfilm #159 is for all gray cars with no black lettering outline. This would work on the Express Baggage cars Espee purchased in the early 1960s.

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 448, 450-453, 461

  1. Model Railroader  October 1993                      - had an article about the SP Economy *Baggage Cars.*

  2. Model Railroader  September 1993                   - steel, assigned to Daylight in 1968, 23 called Star Baggage's or TBM


  4. Railroad Model Craftsman  February 1970       - SP Baggage #6641 - 6650.


                                                                          http://www.sdrm.org/roster/passenger/bagg6700/index.html

                                                                          http://tinyurl.com/869vm7v

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 447

  1. Railroad Model Craftsman  January 1989         - Plans, SP economy baggage car, series 6641-6650, 1950, from StLCC. (article  

  2.      mentions 6701-6800 and 6641-6650 series but plans are for original car with photo of 6671).

Modeling 66-B-1 Business-service economy baggage cars

Con-Cor 72’ Full Baggage Car Kitbash

  1. You may find the Con-Cor 72' Full Baggage car to be a better "stand in," and if shortened, maybe even an accurate model of the 6601-6700 group.

Rapido

  1. The Rapido streamlined baggage cars aren't all that dissimilar to the Espee cars, length is a bit off, roof vents are not quite right, underbody detail for the non-messenger cars is wrong. The biggest problem is the trucks from Rapido are not even close.

  2. Jeff Pape

Union Terminal Imports

  1. Brass model with more of a radial roof.

Kitbashing SPMW #6649

  1. See: Railroad Model Craftsman  January 1989


66-B-2 Business-Service Economy Baggage Cars

  1. #6701 - 6800

  2. #296-299


  4. 6700  series from Pacific Car & Foundry in 1962

  5. SP #296-299 Espee Baggage cars being of *Pullman-Standard* construction. These cars were originally PC&F cars rebuilt/repainted from the 66-B-2 class of economy baggage cars with the freight car roof profile.


  1. (100 Cars). They had the same outside dimensions of the 66-B-1 cars with the non-messenger cars (SP 6701-6765) weighing approximately 83,000 pounds (Plan 6019) while the messenger cars (SP 6766 - 6800) weighed about 5,000 pounds more (Plan 6020). This class of cars used riveted flat side steel construction and were built with standard freight car roof profiles. Check the book for additional changes.

  2. Jim Scott


  1. *Until the 1996 UP Merger, they were used quite extensively in MOW Service on the former Flatonia Sub.

#295

    SP 295 HEP Generator/Baggage Car used in Espee business car fleet.

#296-299

  1. The Business-service economy baggage cars coming from *Pullman-Standard* construction. These cars were originally PC&F cars rebuilt & repainted from the 66-B-2 class of  economy baggage cars with the freight car roof profile.

#6701-6800

  1. steel, *see MR 9/93, painted gray w/silver-gray lettering, 35 had AAR “BEM” classification (onboard baggage master or express messenger marked w/ 5 point star

Paint

  1. The 66-B -2s were all delivered in solid gray.

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 451-454, 456-463

  1. The October 1993 Model Railroader had an article about the SP Economy *Baggage Cars.*

Drawings

  1. SP Economy Baggage Cars, #6701 - 6800.     Model Railroader September 1993

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 457


Modeling 66-B-2 Business-service Economy Baggage Cars

The Coach Yard

  1. The Espee Baggage cars coming from The Coach Yard mentions SP 296-299 as being of  *Pullman-Standard* construction. These economy baggage cars come with the freight car roof profile.

Union Terminal Imports

   Brass model with more of a flatter roof.



77-B  Economy Baggage Cars

77-B-1

    #6601


    Lightweight baggage car, ex T&NO #650

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 441-443, 445-446

Drawings

  1. SP - Baggage Car P-S '37: SP 650-651            NMRA Bulletin April 1973

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 443

Modeling 77-B-1 Economy Baggage Cars

The Coach Yard




83-B  Economy Baggage Cars

83-B-1

  1. #6600-6602

  2. lightweight baggage-espress, 30’ mail compartment, originally operated on Coast and Starlight (‘til ‘50), 1949 went to Cascade

Paint

  1. 2 tone gray

Lettering & Numbering

  1. When it went to the Cascade, it was renumbered.

References

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 464-467, 471-474

Drawing

                                                                          Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 3: Head End Equipment, pg. 464

Modeling 83-B-1 Economy Baggage Cars

The Coach Yard


Union Station

    Use Union Station #7568.

 
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