Southern Pacific Lines
Coast Line Division
“The Route of the Octopus”
Southern Pacific Lines
Coast Line Division
“The Route of the Octopus”
General Information
Locomotives WERE assigned by division. The quarterly division assignment booklets can be found various places, and do list the region a locomotive would LIKELY be found. Assignments or temporary usage could shift at any time.
Tony Thompson
You can get engine assignment data on David Coscia's website.
The engines appearing in a given picture on a particular date might "hang out" at that location for months, or even years. On the other hand, if they were called to the backshop at Sacramento for major work, upon emerging they could have been re-assigned to an entirely different area. Backshops were the locomotive banks for outlying roundhouses.
That a particular location didn't "own" its locomotives, especially standard C-8 or C-9 2-8-0s. They were interchangeable and could be used almost anywhere.
You will have a hard time finding a particular list of locomotives at a given terminal at a given time. There are division assignments, but that will show all the locomotives assigned for a six month period.
The 52-82 SP Annual shows 1952 assignment by division but not by individual facilities. Photos and enginemen-trainmen timebooks for crews working out of a city like SLO will most likely be your best bet.
Just because an engine was assigned to a division didn't that it always stayed on that division. I saw at lest one Daylight 4300 in commute service. I have a photo of the 4352 in Daylight paint on the commute ready track in 1950.
Charles Givens
Figuring Out What Steam Engine to Model
Steam power was distributed depending on requirements. Era? Things are going to be way different between 1890 and 1950. Having this kind of knowledge will help you avoid investing in models that aren't usual to your area. If you can find a list of division assignments for the year(s) you are interested in, that would be a good start to figuring out what specific models you need. Engines wandered, but generally not that far.
Arved Grass
Specific Steam Locomotive Assignments
AC-4s
In the 50‘s in California, AC-4s were assigned to the Western Division (Oakland/Tracy/Sacramento triangle) but were somewhat frequently seen on the Coast Division.
AC-5s
In the 50‘s in California, AC-5s were assigned to the Western Division (Oakland/Tracy/Sacramento triangle) but were somewhat frequently seen on the Coast Division.
AC-8
Out of the AC-8 order for 28 engines, Nos. 4177-4204 delivered in 1939, some 16 were assigned to the Coast Line."
J. Sweetser
SP fireman Bob McNeel's timebook for the period from August 1942 to July 1943 stated: "The McNeel time book shows cab-forwards as almost exclusive power on through freights passing through Santa Barbara between Los Angeles and points north."
AC-9
The AC-9s weren't worked regularly over Donner because crews there were used to cab-ahead operation. However, they made their way from El Paso to Los Angeles to Bakersfield to Roseville to Sparks under their own power, one at a time. A beautiful photo taken near Tracy in April 1953 shows the 3809 (?) working an endless freight. It appears in Guy Dunscomb's A CENTURY OF SOUTHERN PACIFIC STEAM LOCOMOTIVES on page 289. A later photo on page 285, after 3809 went to work on the Modoc, shows it hauling a railfan excursion. By then a stenciled warning reading "This engine excess width" has been painted on the front cylinder casing. See also Dunscomb's SOUTHERN PACIFIC STEAM PICTORIAL, page 73, for this same statement.
Joe Strapac
Cab-Forwards
Cab Forwards were used in places with heavy grades. But the curvature on the Donner Pass line made the Cab Forwards more suited for the track -- so long wheelbase locos like x-10-x were not used or at least they were very unusual.
GS’s
GS-2 & GS-3 were not infrequently changed out at SLO. they were replaced by the GS-4 on #96-97 and #98-99 in 1941.
Fred Stindt
There were a dozen GS-4s and GS-5s assigned to the Daylight pool. GS-4/5 were on the point of a Coast/Morning/Noon Daylight.
Arved Grass
Don't forget when the GS locomotives were shopped and had repairs made, it wasn't unusual for them to be tested on a drag freight to make sure everything worked prior to be assigned back in the passenger pool. So if you had a GS on the head of a reefer block, this might have taken place.
Jim Scott
Mikes
Mikes produced a lot of horsepower at speed so they could be used for moving heavy trains on moderate grades.
Local freight hauls sometimes used the larger locomotives like the Mike’s.
MT’s
Daylight painted Mts were all assigned to the LA Division, and the Oakland section of the Coast Daylight would (should) draw a Western Division locomotive.
Arved Grass
Concerning Daylight-paint MT-4 at the head of a Coast Daylight consist, while you can't say it never happened, but you'ld be pretty surprised if it had. There is a more reasonable possibility of a Daylight painted Mt-4 pulling the Oakland Daylight between San Jose and Oakland. I've seen pictures of these engines pulling the SF Overland from Oakland Pier to Sacto.
Jeff Cauthen
The Daylight Mts were usually used as helpers and as such did not normally operate west of Bakersfield. Of course there may have been exceptions, and the Daylight Mt engines were occasionally used as road engines in rare cases.
Wouter J.K. De Weerdt
From photos of the "San Joaquin Daylight", trains 51 and 52, from 1946 to 1950, five of the Mt-4s got the partial "Daylight" paint on cab and tender and were usually assigned to these trains because they were equipped with the electro-pneumatic brake equipment. The 4352 and 4353 were doubleheaded from LA to Bakersfield almost on a daily basis. At Bakersfield, either 4350, 4361 or 4363 would take over for the run to and from Oakland. Of course there were always exceptions, but this appeared to be their principal assignment off and on in those years. #4361 was on No. 28, the "Overland", in August 1946 around Stege, but it might have been on that train only to Sacramento, possibly for shopping. The San Jose-Oakland connection with the "Coast Daylight" was almost always handled by a non-streamlined Pacific. And, the "Sacramento Daylight" from Lathrop to Sacramento used partially "Daylight" painted 4-4-2s 3000 and 3001 for a couple of years starting in 1946 and then it was usually P-8 and P-10 Pacifics. Prototypically speaking, finding one of the five 4-8-2s mentioned being used on the "Coast Daylight" would be a rarity.
Stan Kistler
Mountains produced a lot of horsepower at speed so they could be used for moving heavy trains on moderate grades. Mountains were especially good for moving heavy passenger trains. Long haul freight used 4-8-2s for just about everything.
Arved Grass
Northerns
Northerns were especially good for moving heavy passenger trains.
Arved Grass
2-10-2's
2-10-2's were used in places with heavy grades. But the curvature on the Donner Pass line made the long wheelbase locos like x-10-x were not suited for the track or at least they were very unusual. Long haul freight used 2-10-2s for just about everything.
The 2-10-2s were fairly common in the mountains, especially in helper service. 2-10-2s were nimble enough to work many of SP's signature passes.
In the 50’s in California, 2-10-2s F-3 and F-4 were used as Cuesta helpers and around Dunsmuir, Donner, and Tehachapi.
In 1953, ALL the F-5s were assigned to Shasta Division.
Arved Grass
4-10-2's
4-10-2's were used in places with heavy grades. But the curvature on the Donner Pass line made the long wheelbase locos like x-10-x were not suited for the track or at least they were very unusual.
The 4-10-2s weren't as nimble as the 2-10-2s. The 4-10-2s were banned many of SP's signature passes for the damage they did. The 4-10-2s spent most of their lives on Beaumont, east of LA, before heading to Oregon.
Arved Grass
2-6-0's
In the San Joaquin, Sacramento and other flat valleys small locos like 2-6-0's ("Valley Mallets") were versatile power for small freights. They called the 2-6-0s "Valley Mallets" because they could haul the same train up the Central Valley that a Cab Forward would haul over a mountain pass.
Arved Grass
2-8-0's
After 1910 or so, a 2-8-0 was "big power".
Tim O'Connor
In the early 1950s in California, you'll find the 2-8-0s at smaller yards (probably because they'd also go out on locals).
In the San Joaquin, Sacramento and other flat valleys small locos like 2-8-0's were versatile power for small freights.
The 2-8-0 was a very versatile engine, and they were ubiquitous. Think of them as the GP9 of the steam era.
Arved Grass
4-6-0's
In the San Joaquin, Sacramento and other flat valleys small locos like 4-6-0's were versatile power for small freights.
Local freight hauls used the 4-6-0.
Arved Grass
4-8-0's
Local freight hauls sometimes used the larger locomotives like the 4-8-0s.
Arved Grass
Pacifics
Even Pacifics served on freight trains in low grade routes.
0-6-0s
In the early 1950s in California, you'll find the 0-6-0s more at larger yards.
Arved Grass
Pacific Lines Division Locomotive Assignments
Coast Line Steam Locomotive Assignments
You need to understand that these lists were a billing list as to what division was to do the repairs and rebuilds on those engines. The engines themselves could and did wander the system. The RR tried to balance the miles between the assigned engines and the divisions that they were working on. If your interest is the Coast Div. then you'll be looking at engines mostly from the Coast, Western, and LA assignments. Use photos to show were engines were mostly. The engine assignment lists are also useful in showing how many engines total a Division needed to operate.
Jason Hill
References
For Pacific Lines Locomotive Assignment Roster go to the Espee Yahoo Group File Folder.
Included are:
1949 Steam
1950 Steam
1950 Diesel
1957 Steam
1958 Steam
1959 Steam
Paul Deis
Pacific Lines Division Assignments - Steam Roster
Coast Line Sub-Division Sept. 30, 1948
DES 0-6-0 4-6-0 4-6-2 2-8-0 2-8-0 2-8-0 2-8-0 4-8-0 2-8-2 2-10-2 2-10-2 4-8-8-2 4-8-8-2 4-8-2 4-8-4
1112 1200 2315 2401 2517 2617 2701 2804 2915 3218 3612 3700 4166 4201 4307 4430
1116 1201 2322 2402 2525* 2642* 2702* 2815 2916 3224 3614 3703 4179 4222 4311 4432
1121 1202 2335 2409 2532 2646* 2707 2817 2918 3225 3638 3706 4181 4236 4324 4435
1124 1204 2345 2410 2552* 2665* 2712 2829 2920 3232 3658 3711 4237 4343 4437
1177 1207 2374 2419 2656 2669* 2733 2833 2921 3664 3713 4286 4355 4439
1184 1211 2375 2424 2566 2677* 2740 2837 2923 3675 3727 4287 4368 4454
1185 1212 2381 2438 2581 2743 2846 3675 3737 4288 4369 4455
1194 1220 2444 2583* 2752 3679 3756 4373 4457
1221 2447 2587 2777 3684
1228 2448 2592 2781 3698
1234 2452 2594 2786 3699
1235 2453 2791
1242 2454
1249 2458
1253 2462
1257 2466
1261 2468
1277 2471
1278 2472
1285 2473
1287 2474
1288 2476
2477
2478
2479
2480
2487
2489
2491
* means assigned to yard service
Engines Leased From Outside Companies
SDAE 103Coast
SDAE 104Coast
Coast Line Sub-Division Jan. 1, 1949
DES 0-6-0 4-6-0 4-6-2 2-8-0 2-8-0 2-8-0 2-8-0 4-8-0 2-8-2 2-10-2 2-10-2 4-8-8-2 4-8-8-2 4-8-2 4-8-4
1112 1200 2315 2401 2517 2642 2701 2803 2915 3214 3614 3700 4179 4201 4305 4430
1116 1202 2322 2402 2519 2646 2702 2804 2916 3218 3658 3703 4181 4222 4307 4432
1121 1204 2335 2409 2525 2665 2707 2815 2918 3224 3664 3706 4236 4311 4435
1124 1207 2345 2410 2532 2669 2712 2817 2920 3232 3671 3711 4237 4324 4437
1177 1211 2374 2419 2652 2677 2733 2829 2921 3264 3672 3713 4286 4343 4439
1184 1212 2375 2424 2556 2740 2923 3673 3727 4287 4350 4454
1185 1220 2381 2438 2566 2743 3675 3737 4288 4355 4455
1194 1221 2444 2583 2752 2837 3678 3751 4368 4457
1228 2447 2587 2760 2846 3684 3756
1234 2448 2592 2777 3698
1235 2452 2594 2781 3699
1242 2453 2786
1249 2454 2791
1253 2458
1257 2462
1261 2466
1277 2468
1278 2471
1285 2472
1287 2473
1288 2474
2476
2477
2478
2479
2480
2487
2489
2491
MOW Shop Engines in service (non-revenue)
966Coast ex-1010
Engines Leased From Outside Companies
SDAE 103Coast
SDAE 104Coast
CCT 32Coast
P.E. 1650Coast
Abbreviations
CCT = California Central Traction
P.E. = Pacific Electric Railway
SDAE = San Diego Arizona & Eastern
Salt Lake Division Locomotive Assignments
1948
In 1948 22 F-5s were on the Salt Lake Division. Salt Lake had more F-5s than any other division.
Kenneth R. Clark
San Joaquin Division Locomotive Assignments
1953
SP 3734 S.Jqn F-5 2-10-2
SP 3744 S.Jqn F-5 2-10-2
SP 3758 S.Jqn F-5 2-10-2
SP 3765 S.Jqn F-5 2-10-2
Shasta Division Locomotive Assignments
1948
In 1948 nine F-5s were assigned on the Shasta Division.
Shasta had 8 engines assigned to yard service in 1948, none were from the switcher classes.
Shasta also did not have any 4-6-2s at that time, but some did pass through.
Kenneth R. Clark
1953
SP 3718 Shasta F-5 2-10-2
Pacific Lines Diesel Locomotive Assignments
Diesel Era Division Assignments
In the diesel era, locomotives even got identifiers under the cab windows as to where home was. The SP put out locomotive assignment rosters at least every six months for use primarily by roundhouse foreman, locomotive inspectors, road foreman of engines and dispatchers. They began to assign road diesels to certain "pools" where they were based, such as Oregon, Roseville, Tehachapi, and LA. Local freight power and yard engines continued to be assigned to a certain Division. There was also a "Condition of Diesel Power and Shopping Schedule" that was put out every month for use by shop forces, which listed the locomotives by Division or "Pool."
Pacific Lines Division Assignments - Diesel Roster
The 1964 Locomotive Assignment Book (9-30-64) listed;
34 units assigned to System Passenger Pool (Ogden Maint): 5 PA-1, 22 PA-2 and 7 PB-2
27 units assigned to San Francisco San Jose Commute Pool: 1 FP7A; 10 GP9 and 16 H24-66
87 units assigned to System Passenger Pool (L A Maint): 13 F7A; 15 FP7A; 30 F7B; 1 PA-1; 12 E7B; 6 E7A; 1 E8A and 9 E9A
In the pre 1965 classification, the F units were classified as DF (diesel freight), even the FP7s. In the later classification the FP7s and F7As with high speed gearing were classified as passenger locomotives. The GP9s and H24-66s were classified as diesel freight in the old classification system.
The one PA-1 assigned to Los Angeles was the #6063, the former T&NO #204. It was retired 0n 1-20-65 and may have been out of service. Data on the #6063 from Strapac's SP Diesel Locomotive Compendium, Vol. 1.
There were 5 F7As that were specially equipped to MU with ALCO passenger units, #6394-6397, #6399.
Specific City Locomotive Assignments
San Luis Obispo Facilities
1948 SLO Locomotive Assignments
#2592 2-8-0 with whale back in stall would be seen.
#2803, 2534, 2381, 2646, 1811
#2829 was the "signature" SLO 2-8-0 with whale back. #2829 also used a rectangular tender.
#3711 (2-10-2) was a helper in SLO on Daylight.
#3727 was used at SLO with a square tender.
#4187 assigned to Coast Div.
#4191 assigned to Coast Div. helper
A Road Switcher plus cab forwards and freight diesel were on the ready tracks. Engines from other divisions could be found in San Luis Obispo on a daily basis. Trains 71/72 (the coast mail) changed engines there, thus the layover of the GS series. Mountains were also frequent in the area. There are photos of ten wheelers and even 4-10-2 passing through but these were relatively rare.
Andrew Merriam
1949 SLO Locomotive Assignments
#2592 w/ whale back
#2829 w/ rectangular tender
#3711 (2-10-2) was a helper in SLO on Daylight.
#3727 used at SLO with a square tender
1953 SLO Locomotive Assignments
A count of engines at the San Luis Obispo Roundhouse for December 1953 included the following:
2-8-0 Consolidation 6 (including SDAE #103 as switcher)
2-8-2 Mikado 1 (was typically used on the King City turn)
2-10-2 Santa Fe 8 (Decs to SP, primarily used in helper service)
4-8-4 Northern 4
1954 SLO Locomotive Assignments
#2534 on work train (1954)
1956 SLO Locomotive Assignments
On page 93 of SP's Coast Line book, it gives a list of steam at SLO in Jan. 1956, which came from RH employee Malcolm Gaddis.
Photo courtesy of Brian Moore