Southern Pacific Lines

Coast Line Division 

“The Route of the Octopus”

 
 

General Information


Coach - Baggage Cars

  1. S.P. 60’ Steel Body Baggage-Passenger Cars


  1. Car No.      Builder      Class    Off Roster

  2. SDAE #175                 60-CB        1958

  3. SP #3176         ?           60-CB-1    1960

  4. SP #3177         ?           60-CB-1    1961

  5. SP #3178         ?           60-CC-1    1968

  6. SP #3179         ?           60-CC-1    1947


Coach - Baggage Cars References

  1.                                                                                 Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 1: Coaches and Chair Cars.

  2.                                                                                     http://www.sphtsstore.org/servlet/the-Books/Categories


  4.                                                                                 SP Passenger Trains of the Coast Route, Vol. 1 & 2

  5.                                                                                     http://tinyurl.com/SP-pass-vol-1

  6.                                                                                     http://tinyurl.com/SP-pass-vol-2


  8.                                                                                  The Official Pullman-Standard Library, Vol. 5: Southern Pacific Prewar Cars

  9.                                                                                  The Official Pullman-Standard Library, Vol. 6: Southern Pacific Postwar Cars

  10. The Official Pullman-Standard library books published by RPC Publications do contain plans, in this case builder generated floor plans showing the placement of interior fittings, windows etc., all with dimensions. They also include simplified side elevation drawings. The two volumes published on Southern Pacific P-S passenger cars are *very* much worth finding and adding to your collection.

Drawing

                                                                                    Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 1: Coaches & Chair Cars, pg.


  2. Plans, SP Baggage/Chair Car?, Chair Car Part #1    NMRA Bulletin June 1973

  3. Plans, SP 70ft Baggage/Coach, steel                         Model Railroader February 1940



  1. Contact the Pullman-Standard museum in Chicago, IL. They still have available for sale erection drawings (blueprints) for most of the P-S passenger cars. You'll need to get their catalog and order by the correct lot number(s) for the car(s) you're interested in.                                                                                                                               

  2. Call for information: (773) 660-2341                       http://www.pullman-museum.org/thePeople/

  3. Rob Sarberenyi




Specific Coach - Baggage Cars

Coach - Baggage  Cars

60-CB-1

  1. #3176

  2. Blt. by Pullman, 1916

  3. Used on the 50's Sacramento Daylight

Paint

  1. It was Dark Olive nearly all of its life.

  2. Tony Thompson 


  1. A 60' Harriman Baggage-Coach (1916) 60-CB-1, ex-AE#453 was painted in Daylight colors.

  2. Tony Thompson 

Reference

                                                                                    Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 1: Coaches & Chair Cars, pg. 44-45, 111

Drawing

                                                                                    Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 1: Coaches & Chair Cars, pg. 44, 112

Modeling 60-CB-1  Coach-Baggage Car

PSC

  1. They offered an HO scale brass SP Harriman combine, class 60-CB-1. PSC #15638.




72’ Arch Roof Coach - Baggage

72-CB-1

  1. SD&A #174


Paint

Lettering & Numbering

Reference

                                                                                    Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 1: Coaches & Chair Cars, pg. 137-138

Drawing

                                                                                    Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 1: Coaches & Chair Cars, pg. 137


72-CB-2

  1. SP #2022-2024


  3. A/C, former coach, former H&TC 462, 464, 465 (72-CB-2)

  4. Former Houston and Texas Central.


  6. SP #2497-2499

    48 seat chair

Paint

  1. Painted standard coach green, black roof  & underbody

Lettering & Numbering

  1. With gold lettering,

Reference

                                                                                    Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 1: Coaches & Chair Cars, pg. 137-141

Drawing

                                                                                    Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 1: Coaches & Chair Cars, pg. 139, 168


77-CB-1

  1. #3300 - 3301

    steel, seats 44, news agent stand

Details

Radio and Antennae


Diaphragm

  1. Both the 77 foot Chair Baggage's came with a diaphragm on the baggage end but without the full-width extensions.

Reference

                                                                                    Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 1: Coaches & Chair Cars, pg. 266

Drawing

                                                                                    Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 1: Coaches & Chair Cars, pg. 266



Lightweight Coach - Baggage Cars

79-CB-1  Chair Baggage

  1. #3302 - 3303

    steel, seats 44, news agent stand, corrugated passengers cars.


  1. Baggage-chair #3302 is shown in the SP coach book as being retired 1971 with no further dispositions noted. Stegmaier shows this car as going to the Stockton, Terminal and Eastern. 

Details

Radio and Antennae


Diaphragm

  1. The prototype cars did indeed have a narrow diaphragm at the baggage end. The 79 foot Chair Baggage's came with a diaphragm on the baggage end but it was without the full-width extensions. The orange band of paint went across it. The front didn't have the full width diaphragm and the daylight orange stripes came completely around the car end.

Paint

  1. Daylight cars had the car type printed in silver at one end like "Chair", "Parlor"..etc. Did the Chair Baggage say "Chair" "Baggage" or "Chair Baggage".

Daylight

  1. The daylight orange stripes came completely around the car end.

  2. The orange band of paint went across a narrow diaphragm at the baggage end.

Lettering & Numbering

  1. Some roads put "Baggage" at the baggage end, and "Chair" at the chair end. This is how the SP handled it.

  2.                                                                              Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 1: Coaches & Chair Cars, pg. 276

Reference

  1.                                                                              Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 1: Coaches & Chair Cars, pg. 266, 270-277

  2. Prewar Single Unit Cars Roster ‘37-’77,               (*see PT2-34)

    Lt. Wt. Chair Car Roster                                     (*see PT2-78)

Drawing

                                                                                 Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 1: Coaches & Chair Cars, pg. 266, 270

Modeling 79-CB-1

  1. Use corrugated passengers cars.

SP 3302 Combine  Chair - Baggage

  1. The model will be in HO scale and will be non fluted sides in the GS silver with red stripe scheme.

  2. Cyrus Gillespie

Athearn

  1. Cars are not only to short (72') but they are almost Santa Fe prototype.

E&B Valley / Eastern Car Works

  1. They need detail parts, new trucks, and such, but they will be a good starting point. Will have to shorten them get rid of the corrugations and add thin material to represent stainless steel "wavy" sides, and perhaps redo the position of the baggage door. It will have the "the look," and fit in with other passenger cars for a 1965/66 era "Coast Daylight, Lark, and Sad Sam" trains.

IHC /Rivarossi 

  1. Nobody knows what these cars are. Too long (85') for Daylight prototype.

MTH

  1. Other options would include a kit bash and partial scratch build modification of the MTH Chair Baggage. The most time consuming part would be building the replacement sides, then detailing it similarly to the Soho car. The biggest problem for this is that the car only comes in a set of eight cars.

Soho

  1. Secondly, Soho produced a run of smooth side Chair Baggage cars in their old "silver box" line. These cars had the detail of the fluted models and did not compensate for the upgrade the prototype received. For example, the Soho model would need to be de-skirted, the doors removed and replaced with the modernized window, the trucks replaced with D&G P21R roller bearings, and the underbody detail upgraded. For finishing touches, you could apply a pair of Hi-Tech 9400 diaphragms and install an interior.

Union Terminal Imports.

  1. For about $500 you can have an exact smooth side replica of the 3302 from Union Terminal Imports. This car has a lit interior, correct underbody detail, and accurate paneling, but could easily cause pain to a modeling budget.


  3. Unfortunately, Union Station, Laser Horizons, or Brass Car Sides have never made smooth sides for the 79-CB-1. If they had, you could simply use a Train Station Products core kit and modify it.

  4. Scott Inman

Lettering & Numbering

Decals

Microscale

    Use Microscale sheet #1055. #1055 says its for either the Coast Daylight or the Shasta Daylight




Combination Cars

Class C

CA    - Combined Car, Baggage and Passenger

CAD - Combined Car, Baggage and Passenger

CO    - Combined Car

CS     - Combined Smoking and Baggage

CSA  - Combined Baggage, Dormitory and Kitchen

CSB  - Baggage-Dormitory

CSP  - Combined Mail Storage or Baggage, Dormitory and Passenger


  1. S.P. Wood Body Baggage-Passenger Cars in Service in March 1945


  1. Car No.      Builder      Class    Off Roster

  2. SP #3040    St. L C      60-C       1945

  3. SP #3045    Pullman    60-CC    1947

  4. SP #3049    Pullman    60-CC    1947

  5. SP #3050         ?           60-CC    1962

  6. SP #3150    Pullman    60-CC    1948

  7. SP #3156    Pullman    60-CC    1946

  8. SP #3158    Pullman    60-CC    1947

  9. SP #3159    Pullman    60-CC    1948

  10. SP #3168    St. L C      60-CC    1948

  11. SP #3298    B & S        60-CC    1949


Reference

                                                                                    Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 1: Coaches & Chair Cars, pg. 102-110

  1. SP Combination Coach? #17 of 1880                      Railroad Model Craftsman October 1961


  1.                                                                                  SP Passenger Trains of the Coast Route, Vol. 1 & 2

  2.                                                                                     http://tinyurl.com/SP-pass-vol-1

  3.                                                                                     http://tinyurl.com/SP-pass-vol-2


  5.                                                                                  The Official Pullman-Standard Library, Vol. 5: Southern Pacific Prewar Cars

  6.                                                                                  The Official Pullman-Standard Library, Vol. 6: Southern Pacific Postwar Cars

  7. The Official Pullman-Standard library books published by RPC Publications do contain plans, in this case builder generated floor plans showing the placement of interior fittings, windows etc., all with dimensions. They also include simplified side elevation drawings. The two volumes published on Southern Pacific P-S passenger cars are *very* much worth finding and adding to your collection.

Drawing

                                                                                    Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 1: Coaches & Chair Cars, pg.

  1. Plans for: SP 3300 series Combination Car               Model Railroader October 1948

  2. Plans, T&NO Harriman RPO/Coach 60-CP-15-1   Railroad Model Craftsman August 1988



  1. Contact the Pullman-Standard museum in Chicago, IL. They still have available for sale erection drawings (blueprints) for most of the P-S passenger cars. You'll need to get their catalog and order by the correct lot number(s) for the car(s) you're interested in.                                                                                                                               

  2. Call for information: (773) 660-2341                       http://www.pullman-museum.org/thePeople/

  3. Rob Sarberenyi




Specific Combination Cars

60-C-  Combination Car

  1. SP #3040   


  3. Built by St. L C    


60-CC-  Combination Car

  1. SP #3045    Pullman  

  2. SP #3049    Pullman

  3. SP #3050         ?         

  4. SP #3150    Pullman 

  5. SP #3156    Pullman 

  6. SP #3158    Pullman 

  7. SP #3159    Pullman 

  8. SP #3168    St. L C  

  9. SP #3298    B & S    





 
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