Southern Pacific Lines

Coast Line Division 

“The Route of the Octopus”

 
 

General Information

Details

Articulated 1939 Daylight Cars Passenger Trucks

  1. They had 6 wheel pax trucks.

Modeling Articulated Pax Car Trucks

Bethlehem Car Works

  1. #1272 these trucks are the best that are currently on the market. Keeping in mind of course that these are not a match for the original trucks used by SP for these cars, given that they are metal.

  2. See www.bethlemcarworks.com under Kit Bits, Trucks

  3. Use Intermountain roller bearing wheel sets in these trucks or Bethlehem's #1263 "Challenger" trucks.

Branchline

  1. Use #2410/2411 trucks on some of their heavyweight Pullmans. Just remember to be careful if you use their wheels as they are a bit too long. Use either the .990 or .995 Reboxx wheels instead.

Central Valley

  1. There trucks are for both the Lark and Daylight diners. They are not available now and are not just right for these six-wheel trucks. However they are very close to the prototype and if you look around at the different train shows they show up from time to time. The operating quality is well worth the trade off for just the right looking trucks.

D & G

  1. They only offer the four-wheel trucks. There trucks are the only way to go both for looks and operating quality.

Model Die Casting

  1. Outdated instructions recommend the Model Die Casting #2931 for the six-wheel articulation truck, but you can't find them anywhere.


Roof Antenna posts on SP Daylight Cars corrugated sides.

  1. A good photo of the antenna posts on page 192 of Randall/Ross The Official Pullman Standard Library Volume 5 - SP Prewar Cars.

Modeling Roof Antenna

  1. The best renditions of the posts in HO were the injection molded plastic ones included in the Limited Editions kits. Coach Yard may have something better.

  2. Paul LaCiura




Observation Cars

Observation

#2954

  1. NWP observation NWP 06, named "Redwood." Car was built by Pullman in 1916. NWP 06 was a business car rebuilt from a 60' coach. This car was converted from corrugated to smooth sides in 1963 or 1964.

#109

  1. Business car SP 109, not an observation as such but a 60 foot (over end sills, 68 feet, 6 3/8 inches over pulling faces) observation-looking car. A class C60-8 coach built by Pullman in October 1916 as GH&SA 807, it and three similar cars were converted for business car use by T&NO Houston Shops in 1928. Named "Dallas" for use as a business car by that division's superintendent, it replaced a predecessor wood car of the same name. Transferred to the Pacific Lines in January 1941, it became "San Joaquin", that Pacific Lines division super's car, later (September 1941) becoming unnamed "109". Susequently as "109", it was used as the bridge inspectors car, periodically touring all of the Pacific lines. After later maintenance of way service as MW 162, it was sold to a private party.

Lettering & Numbering

  1. They would have had SP on the letterboard with Pullman at the ends.

Modeling Observation Car

Kidder 60' observation

  1. At least a couple of the bodies are imaginary (the 60-foot observation, for one). It somewhat resembled a photo from Stindt's book on the Northwestern Pacific.

Paint

  1. To repaint an ex-SP 2901 obs. use GN Empire Builder paint scheme green which is referred to in GN documents as "Pullman Green" but the paint chip is a dead on match to SP Dark Olive. It is recommended that Scalecoat GN Green (not GN Empire Builder Green, which is much lighter) as a match for SP Dark Olive. (This was the color applied to GN heavyweights.). Scalecoat EB Green only matches cars that sat out in the sun for 30 years -- it is a pale olive color, not the deep, dark color evident on new EB equipment. It is even somewhat lighter than Scalecoat Pullman Green, a pretty good color.


Solarium-Observation Cars

  1. SP never had any Plan 3975C cars.

Walthers

  1. #932-10459, Pullman Solarium-Observ.(Plan#3975C) : Not SP

  2. Republic, Dixie Home

  3. SP never had any Plan 3975C cars



Library-Observation Cars

Sleeper-Library-Observation  (Wood) Cars

  1. Ben Abin

  2. Ben Amai

  3. Ben Attow

  4. Ben Clibrick

  5. Ben Cruachan

  6. Ben Dearg

  7. Ben Lawers

  8. Ben Ledi

  9. Ben Machui

  10. Ben Venue

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 496


10 Section  Library-Observation  (Steel) Cars

  1. Favorita

  2. Huelma

  3. Oronso

  4. Oronta

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 539


8 Compt. Library-Observation  (Steel) Cars

  1. Briarcliff

  2. Kaaterskill

  3. Knickerbocker

  4. Rhinecliff

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 537


6 Compt.  Library-Observation  (Steel) Cars

  1. Bentley

  2. Grovedale

  3. Houtzdale

  4. Liddonfield

  5. Octoraro

  6. Benning

  7. Blackburn

  8. Bordentown

  9. Boynton

  10. Brookview

  11. Carpenter

  12. Chaumont

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 541




Lounge-Observation Cars

10 Section  Lounge-Observation Cars

10 Section  Lounge-Observation (Steel) Cars

  1. Malade

  2. Marietta

  3. Mariposa

  4. Mendon

  5. Minard

  6. Miraflores

  7. Montezuma

  8. Moqui

  9. Morenci

  10. Musina

Reference

                                                                       Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 497

  1.                                                                     Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg. 88-92

Drawing

  1.                                                                     Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg. 88


10 Sections Lounge-Observation  Cars 

  1. Live Oak

  2. Makena

  3. Monte Baldo

  4. Monte Laguna

  5. Monte Lirio

  6. Mt. Baxter

  7. Mt. Broderick

  8. Mt. Cowen

  9. Mt. Harvard

  10. Mt. Hull

  11. Mt. Marcy

  12. Mt. Moran

  13. Mt. Sheridan

  14. Mt. Washburn

  15. San Benito

  16. *San Bernardino, #8500 assigned, never applied; WFL 3/50; rebuilt to Business Car Houston, TNO 997, 12/51

  17. *San Marcial,      #8501 assigned, never applied; WFL 3/50; rebuilt to Business Car San Joaquin SP 120, 5/51

  18. San Juan

  19. San Mateo

  20. San Pedro

  21. San Ramon


  23. *These were the only two observations that came to SP for use as observations. They were used in Texas and then rebuilt as business cars as indicated. 

Reference

                                                                      Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 525

  1.                                                                    Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg. 207, 209

Drawing

  1.                                                                    Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg. 207, 209



4 Compartment, 2 Drawing Room Lounge - Observation

4-2 Section Lounge-Observation (Steel) Cars

  1. Black Buttes

  2. Blue Rapids

  3. Castle Rock

  4. Cedar Point

  5. Dale Creek

  6. Deer Trail

  7. Forrest Lake

  8. Grand Island

  9. North Bend

  10. Table Rock

Reference

                                                                       Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 498

  1.                                                                     Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg. 93

Drawing

  1.                                                                     Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg. 93, 95


4-2 Section Lounge-Observation (Steel) Cars

  1. Sunset Breach

  2. Sunset Cape

  3. Sunset Heights

  4. Sunset Lake

  5. Sunset Park

  6. Sunset Peak

  7. Sunset Rock

  8. Sunset Trail

  9. Sunset View

Reference

                                                                       Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 502

  1.                                                                     Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg. 98-99

Drawing

  1.                                                                     Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg. 99



3 Compartment, 2 Drawing Room Lounge - Observation

  1. SP had a number of heavyweight 3 compartment, 2 drawing room, lounge-observation cars. The 3-2 observations on the Overland, Sunset, and Golden State came off in January 1942 after the USA entered WWII. These cars were always lettered Pullman.


  3. SP did purchase a number of 3-2 observations specifically for conversion to business cars. HW Pullman observations were removed from SP Trains 27/28 "San Francisco Overland Limited. Withdrawn from lease, Pullman that is. SP did not operate heavyweight observations by 1950 unless it was on the Owl or one of their trains in Mexico.


3-2  Section Lounge-Observation (Steel) Cars

  1. Balboa

  2. Du Chaillu

  3. Jaques Cartier

  4. Ponce de Leon

  5. Baffin Bay

  6. John Kinzie

  7. John Smith

  8. Leif Ericson

  9. Louis Frontenac

  10. Mark Beaubien

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 506


3-2 Section Lounge-Observation (Steel) Cars

  1. Crystal Beach

  2. Crystal Cave

  3. Crystal Falls

  4. Crystal Peak

  5. Crystal River

  6. Crystal Rock

  7. Crystal Springs

Reference

                                                                      Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 511

  1.                                                                    Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg. 100-104

Drawing

  1.                                                                    Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg. 101


3-2  Section Lounge-Observation (Steel) Cars

  1. Crystal Bay

  2. Crystal Bluff

  3. Crystal Brook

  4. Crystal George

  5. Crystal Mount

  6. Crystal Point

  7. Crystal Ridge

  8. Crystal View

  9. Golden City

  10. Golden Gate

  11. Golden Grove

  12. Golden Horn

  13. Golden Lake

  14. Golden State

  15. Golden Stream

Reference

                                                                      Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 514

  1.                                                                    Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg. 105-106


Drawing

                                                                       Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 515

  1.                                                                     Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg. 101



2 Drawing Room, 1 Compartment Lounge - Observation

2-1 Section  Lounge-Observation (Steel) Cars

  1. Golden City

  2. Golden Creek

  3. Golden Gate

  4. Golden Grove

  5. Golden Hill

  6. Golden Horn

  7. Golden Lake

  8. Golden State

  9. Golden Stream

  10. Golden Valley

Reference

                                                                       Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 500

  1.                                                                     Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg. 97

Drawing

  1.                                                                     Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg.

Modeling Lounge-Observation cars

Walthers

  1. The specific floor plan to be done by Walthers is Pullman Plan 3959D which does not match. Other versions of Plan 3959 are similar.


  1. #932-10259, Pullman Heavyweight 3-2 Lounge-Observation Cars(Plan#3959D) :

  2. Not SP Golden(…);…City, Gate, Grove, Horn, Lake, State, Stream

  3. #3959, 3959a, -b, -e, -f, and -h were assigned to SP trains



1 Section  Lounge-Observation Cars

1 Section  Lounge-Observation (Steel) Cars

  1. San Ardo

  2. San Lucas

Reference

                                                                            Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Vol 5: Lounge, Dome & Parlor, pg. 504




Buffet-Lounge-Observation Cars

2 Double Bedroom, 1 Compartment, 1 Drawing Room  Sleeper - Buffet - Lounge-Observation Cars

2-1-1 Buffet-Lounge-Observation (Steel) Cars

    #400 - 401

Reference

  1.                                                                     Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg. 293-309

Drawing

  1.                                                                     Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume 2: Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms, pg. 295, 301

                                                                                                                                                                                                307

Modeling 2-1-1 Buffet-Lounge-Observation (Steel) Cars

Coach Yard

    SP Lark 1-1-2 Sleeper-Buf-Obs Blunt End (1958)

Union Station Products

  1. #4082A     Pullman 2-1-1 observation buffet lounge, used on Lark

  2.  

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