General Information

1. On March 21, 1937, the stage was set for the first Daylight, train #99 powered by GS-2 #4411, to be christened by actress Olivia de Havilland before heading north from Los Angeles on its inaugural run, a ceremony that was carried on national radio. During its first trip, it set a number of records, most passengers on a single train, a record amount of food and drink served, and most importantly to the SP, most profit per train-mile. It covered the 471 miles in 9 hours and 45 minutes.
   

1. When the 14-car trains went on line, they did so as the Morning Daylight. The original 12-car versions were shopped, refurbished, and reentered service on March 30, 1940 as the Noon Daylight. In 1942, with the war effort in full swing, the Noon Daylight were discontinued so that the desperately needed equipment could be used to move America’s military might. On April 14, 1946, as America got back to normal following the War, the Noon Daylight was finally reinstated and trains 98/99 once again became the Morning Daylight. With the success of the Daylights, the SP management looked to capitalize on the similar traffic demands inland (San Joaquin and Sacramento Daylights) and northward (Shasta Daylight and Cascade).
   

1. The Daylight then claimed the title of America’s most popular train service, and by the fourth anniversary, 1.3 million people had made the trip. The Daylight’s glory years lasted eighteen years, until postwar lifestyles turned to the automobile as the preferred mode of transportation.
   

Say What?

1. The "Daylight" was the Coast Daylight, then the Morning Daylight when the Noon Daylight was added. The Starlight replaced the Noon Daylight and the Morning Daylight reverted to Coast Daylight.
   

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The Daylight Train Timetable

1949 Timtetable

1. Noon Daylight        97LA12:15 pmSF9:55 pm‘49
   

2. Noon Daylight        97SLO4:52 pmLA         ‘49
   

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4. Coast Daylight        98SLO1:12 pmLA 6:00 pm
   

5. Coast Daylight        98SF8:15 amSLO1:12 pm
   

6. Coast Daylight        99LA8:15 amSF6:00 pm
   

7. 
   

8. Morning Daylight98SF8:15 amLA6:00 pm’48
   

9. Morning Daylight99LA         SF6:00 pm‘49
   

The Daylight Train History Timeline

1937

1. The SP streamliner era really began in 1937 when the railroad received its first streamlined lightweight cars. Daylight Maid Service originated 3/21/37 with inauguration of the streamlined Daylight. Extended to Noon Daylight, and to San Joaquin Daylight on 7/4/41. Discontinued as a wartime measure and never reestablished. Service was probably in Parlor Cars only.
   

1939

1. In December 1939 the SP completely re-equipped the Daylight with new cars, including the first articulated coffee shop/kitchen/diners.
   

1952

1. The Daylight was train #98/99, later renamed the Coast Daylight in 1952.
   

1953

1. The "Daylight" was the Coast Daylight, then the Morning Daylight when the Noon Daylight was added. The Starlight replaced the Noon Daylight and the Morning Daylight reverted to Coast Daylight.
   

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3. The Daylight operated late morning and early afternoon on the Guadelupe subdivision.
   

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5. Coast Daylight in 1950’s used PA-E7B-E7A unit combinations or PA-E7B-PA of PA-E7B-E9A
   

1955

1. The "Coast Daylight" was officially dieselized in January, 1955.
   

1957

1. May 1, 1957  the Daylight (#250 & 255) made their last runs.
   

1963

1. The "Coast Daylight" (#98) in 1963 had a combination of PA's (no B's) and E-7's. With the 3/4 dome car on the trip.
   

References

Daylight Photos

1. In the San Luis Obispo Tribune their "Photovault" column has photos and info about the Daylight on the Cuesta with steam.                                                                     http://sloblogs.thetribunenews.com/slovault/
   

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Daylight Train Consist

Daylight Steam Motive Power

1. In 1937 the new GS-2 and later GS-3 locomotives were all painted in the new Daylight scheme of red, orange, and black. By the end of 1940, 20 more GS class locomotives and 30 more cars were ordered for the longer Daylight trains, as well as for use on other trains on the SP. New locomotives came with the 1941 cars-the new GS-4's in 1941-42 and GS-5's in 1942.
   

1. In 1952 steam motive power still changed at SLO. The northbound would pull in and a 2-10-2 helper with a new replacement engine, a 4-8-4, would be waiting on the adjacent track. The helper would cut off at Santa Margarita and wyed and run back to SLO.
   

Modeling the Daylight Steam Locomotives

SP GS-4 Northern 4-8-4

Broadway Limited Daylight

1. The SP Daylight 4-8-4 is included in this listing, List price 449.99.
   

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3. Sound $449.99 m/p $334.50 No Sound $379.99
   

4. 294 _____ 297 #4452 Daylight (Train #1)
   

5. 295 _____ 298 #4449 Daylight (Train #2)
   

6. 296 _____ 299 #4449 American Freedom Train
   

7. 289 Sound upgrade kit (Decoder & Speakers
   

Daylight Diesel Motive Power

1. The post-1946 cars came without full diaphragms to be pulled by the GS or PA's or F's.
   

1953

1. SP used Alco PA's briefly in 1953 on trains 98/99.
   

1955

1. The "Coast Daylight" was officially dieselized in January, 1955.
   

2. Coast Daylight in 1950’s used PA-E7B-E7A unit combinations or PA-E7B-PA of PA-E7B-E9A
   

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4. Early on, the E-7's off the "Golden State" were used on the "Coast Daylight" at least as far as SLO.
   

1957

1. A PA leading (trailing units not visible) in 1957, is seen in Signor's Coast Line book.
   

1958

1. In Signor's Coast Line book, a PA-PB-PB set is shown on the Daylight in 1958,
   

1960

1. A PA leading (PA-PA-E7B-E9) consist in 1960, is seen in Signor's Coast Line book.
   

2. SP 6042: grey/scarlet, Train 98, Gilroy, 1960 with ALCo PA.
   

1962

1. SP 6068 (ex-SSW 301), grey/scarlet, Train 98, Burlingame, Jun 5, 1962 with EMD E7B and E7A.
   

1963

1. The "Coast Daylight" (#98) in 1963 had a combination of PA's (no B's) and E-7's.
   

2. SP 6032: grey/scarlet, Train 99, San Mateo, July 1963 with EMD E7B and E7A.
   

1964

1. In Signor's Coast Line book, a PA-E7B-E7B-E7B set is shown on the Daylight in 1964.
   

1970

1. The "Coast Daylight" (#98) in 1970 had a combination of SDP45 and FP7As. Sometimes a GP9.
   

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Daylight Passenger Equipment

1. There are  at least three basic periods of Daylight color schemes:
   

2.     1937-1946 S.P. Lines lettering with skirts
   

3.     1947-1951 S.P. lettering  with skirts
   

4.     1952-1958 S.P. lettering without skirts
   

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1937

1. The SP streamliner era really began in 1937 when the railroad received its first streamlined lightweight cars. There were two sets of twelve cars for the newly re-equipped Daylight. Of course, the cars were all fluted. It soon became apparent that the coffee shop/lounge cars were too congested. So in 1938 the SP replaced them with new two coffee shop cars and two new lounge cars. The 1937 coffee shop/lounge cars were withdrawn from regular service, becoming "protection" for the new cars; they were rebuilt into lounge cars after World War II.
   

2. Bruce Bloch
   

1. The following cars were part of the 1937 consist:
   

2. Chair Baggage          SP  3300 - 3301
   

3. Chair                        SP  2400 - 2401
   

4. Articulated - Chair    SP  2402 - 2413
   

5. Diner                        SP 10200 - 10201
   

6. Tavern                      SP 10310 - 10311
   

7. Parlor                       SP   3000 - 3001
   

8. Parlor Observation   SP   2950 - 2951  As built the 1937 and 1941 Daylight tail parlor-observation cars had only a fixed-beam white reverse lamp up there at center on the roof.
   

1. The 1937 cars did not have baggage elevators. They had steam-ejector A/C, truck mounted generators, and 20-inch deep skirts.
   

2. The 4-wheel triple-bolster trucks first appeared on SP Daylight equipment in February 1937.
   

1938

1. The following cars were part of the 1938 consist:
   

2. Coffee Shop     SP 10400- 10401
   

1939

1. In December 1939 the SP completely re-equipped the Daylight with new cars, including the first articulated coffee shop/kitchen/diners. These cars, which were also fluted and painted Daylight colors, became the Morning Daylight; the 1937-38 cars became the new Noon Daylight. The 1939 cars had baggage elevators and steam-ejector A/C and 20-inch deep side skirts. 1939 cars had Class 4-TC-6 trucks without bolster anchors. The 1939 cars had the steam ejector type A/C.
   

1940

1. The set going into service Jan. 5, 1940 included the first Triple Unit Diners delivered just prior to that date according to Wright's Daylight Book.
   

2. Pre ‘41 the earlier cars would have had steam ejectors
   

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4. SP received new chair, food service, and parlor/observation cars in 1941 and assigned them to the Morning Daylight. These cars were almost identical to the 1939 cars, except for the air conditioning system. The 1939 cars were bumped to the Noon Daylight and the 1937 cars went to the new San Joaquin Daylight.
   

5. Bruce Bloch
   

1. The following cars were part of the 1940 consist:
   

2. Chair Baggage          SP   3302 - 3303
   

3. Chair                        SP   2439 - 2440
   

4. Articulated - Chair    SP   2441 - 2452
   

5. Articulated -Diner    SP 10250 - 10252
   

                                         SP 10253 - 10255

1. Tavern                      SP 10314 - 10315
   

2. Parlor                        SP   3002 - 3003
   

3. Parlor Observation    SP   2952 - 2953
   

World War II

1. 1941-45for the war years you can eliminate the tavern and parlor cars
   

1941

1. The set going into service in 1941, included the 2nd pair of triple unit diners. The 1941 order was for a great many cars for the Morning, Noon, and SJ Daylight. The 1941 order did not include any baggage-chair or straight parlor cars and, as a result, there was not a completely "new" 1941 Morning Daylight.
   

2. 1941 cars should all have Waukesha A/C equipment (Coast Daylight, the 1941 edition)
   

3. 1941chair-baggage, tavern and parlor cars are types that were not built in 1941
   

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5. All four pre-war 3-unit diner-kitchen-coffee shops were built for the Coast (Morning) Daylight.
   

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7. The 1941 cars had baggage elevators and Waukesha A/C and Enginators (generators) and 16-inch deep center skirts. The 1941 cars had a different class of trucks (4-TC-7 with bolster anchors).
   

8. Jeff Cauthen
   

1. The passenger cars on the 1941 "Coast Daylight" still had skirting. The skirts started coming off after 1950.
   

1942

1. The following cars were part of the 1942 consist:
   

2. Chair                         SP   SP   2485 - 2486
   

3. Articulated - Chair    SP   2457 - 2476
   

4. Articulated -Diner     SP 10256 - 10258
   

                                          SP 10259 - 10261

1. Parlor Observation    SP   2954 - 2955   As built the 1937 and 1941 Daylight tail parlor-observation cars had only a fixed-beam white reverse lamp up there at center on the roof.
   

1944 Daylight  (Consist for Trains 98 and 99.)

1. Consist of #98 on November 24 and 26 
   

2. Consist of #99 on November 25 and 27
   

3. SP 3303, Chair-Baggage
   

4. SP 2448-2447, Artc.-Chair
   

5. SP 2460-2459, Artc.-chair
   

6. SP 2408-2407, Artc.-Chair
   

7. SP 2462-2461, Artc.-Chair
   

8. SP 10256-10257-10258, Artc.Coffee-Shop-Kitchen-Coffee-Shop
   

9. SP 2493, Single Chair
   

10. SP 2468-2467, Artc.-Chair
    

11. SP 2480-2479, Artc.-Chair
    

12. SP 2429, Single Chair
    

13. SP 2440, Single Chair
    

14. SP 2955, Parlor-Observation
    

15. Note that the Tavern car and straight Parlor car were eliminated during WWII.  
    

16. Also, the dining car was serving coffee shop meals only during WWII.
    

17. Jeff Cauthen
    

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1944 Daylight  (Consist for Trains 98 and 99.)

1. Train 98 on May 19, 1945.  
   

2. SP 3302, chair-baggage;  
   

3. SP 2478-2477, artc-chair;  
   

4. SP 2460-2459, artc-chair;  
   

5. SP 2408-2409, artc-chair;  
   

6. SP 2462-2461, artc-chair;  
   

7. SP 10258-10257-10256, artc. coffee shop-kitchen-coffee shop;  
   

8. SP 2493, single chair;  
   

9. SP 2429, single chair;  
   

10. SP 2426, single chair;
    

11. SP 2448-2447, artc-chair;  
    

12. SP 2480-2479, artc-chair;  
    

13. SP 2955, parlor-observation.   
    

1945 Daylight (Consist for Train No. 99 on May 29, 1945 and Train No. 98 on June 3, 1945.)

1. SP 3303, chair-baggage;  SP 2410-2411, artc-chair;  SP 2484-2483, artc-chair;  SP 2470-2469, artc-chair;  SP 2458-2457, artc-chair;  SP 10261-10260-10259, artc. coffee-shop-kitchen-coffee shop;  SP 2492, single chair;  SP 2407-2408, artc-chair;  SP 2454-2453, artc-chair; SP 2439, single chair;  SP 2440, single chair;  SP 2954, parlor-observation.  Because of WW II, no straight parlor or tavern cars and dining car is serving coffee shop meals only.
   

2. Jeff Cauthen
   

1945 Daylight (Consist for Train 99 on June 7, 1945)

1. SP 3302, chair-baggage;  
   

2. SP 2478-2477, artc-chair;  
   

3. SP 2460-2459, artc-chair;  
   

4. SP 2408-2409, artc-chair;  
   

5. SP 2462-2461, artc-chair;  
   

6. SP 10258-10257-10256, artc. coffee shop-kitchen-coffee shop;  
   

7. SP 2493, single chair;  
   

8. SP 2468-2467, artc-chair;  
   

9. SP 2448-2447, artc-chair;  
   

10. SP 2480-2479, artc-chair;  
    

11. SP 2955, parlor-observation.  
    

12. No Tavern car and dining car serving coffee shop meals only, due to WW II.
    

Post War

1. SP brought back the Noon Daylight with the 1939 cars on June 2, 1946 and returned the 1937 cars to the San Joaquin Daylight. SP also changed the lettering scheme by adopting bigger letters and dropping the word "Lines" from the letterboards. The change occurred gradually as the cars were repainted. As 1946 came to a close, SP and the other railroads were all waiting for their new equipment.
   

2. Bruce Bloch
   

post-1946

1. Cars without full diaphragms to be pulled by the deskirted GS or PA's or F's
   

early 50's

1. Some cars have had their skirts removed or partially removed. A number of 1937 & 1939 cars had been refitted with the Waukesha
   

mid-1950s

1. Big domes came in (and not then to the Coast)
   

1955

1. The following cars were part of the 1955 consist:
   

2. Chair  SP 2352 - 2357
   

1970

1. The following cars were part of the 1970 consist:
   

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3. SP #98 COAST DAYLIGHT (Tuesday 11-24-70)
   

4. San Luis Obispo, CA
   

5. Arrive 341p, depart 346p after Crew Change.
   

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7. SP 3201 SDP45
   

8. SP 6460 FP7A
   

9. SP 6791 Baggage (gray)
   

10. SP 3103 Baggage-Dormitory
    

11. SR Dan River 10-6 Sleeper (LA-NY Transcontinental sleeper)
    

12. SP 9013 10-6 Sleeper
    

13. SP 10407 Coffee Shop
    

14. SP 2364 Chair
    

15. SP 2220 Chair (rode)
    

16. SP 2376 Chair
    

17. SP 10615 Automatic Buffet Car
    

18. SP 2368 Chair
    

19. SP 2373 Chair
    

20. SP 2231 Chair
    

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22. All cars except for the baggage, Southern sleeper and the ABC car were Sunset Budd equipment. #98's trainset continued onto New Orleans as #2, usually with different power and mostly the same cars. Tonight SP Business Car 117 Tucson was added to the end of Train #2. The three chairs behind the ABC were usually deadheads for SP #2, but I recall walking to the end of the train and they had some passengers this trip. #98 met northbound #99 at Oceano siding at 4:07pm.
    

1. SP #99 COAST DAYLIGHT (11-29-70)
   

2. Los Angeles, CA
   

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4. SP 6605 GP35 – Helper SLO-Santa Margarita
   

5. ----------
   

6. SP 3209 SDP45
   

7. SP 3009 GP9
   

8. SP 3006 GP9
   

9. SP 6791 Baggage (Gray)
   

10. SP 3103 Baggage-Dormitory
    

11. SP 9006 10-6 Sleeper (NY-LA Transcontinental car)
    

12. SP 9013 10-6 Sleeper (Parlor Seats)
    

13. SP 10407 Coffee Shop
    

14. SP 2364 Chair
    

15. SP 2220 Chair
    

16. SP 2376 Chair
    

17. SP 10615 Automatic Buffet Car
    

18. SP 2368 Chair
    

19. SP 10402 Coffee Shop
    

20. SP 2985 Lounge
    

21. SP 2375 Chair
    

22. SP 2378 Chair
    

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24. #99 was a heavy train with three more cars than normal for a Sunday “Sunset” consists.  Whether it was a heavy train or there was an engine failure, #99 got something unusual in 1970 – a helper over Cuesta grade.
    

The 1940 Daylight Train

1. The 1939 cars had the steam ejector A/C type systems. That means the screens on the skirts as well  as the underbody equipment would be different from the 1941 style cars.
   

Interiors

Curtains / Window Blinds on Daylight cars

1. Passenger cars in 40’s had window blinds. The information in the "Daylight 98-99" book says that three different types of window curtains but all three had a backing of "Pantasotc Company's Aluminum color #18 Pebble Grain". When the curtain were pulled down you would see a reflective aluminum color from the outside.
   

2.                                                                         (*see RMJ 12/99, pg. 48)
   

Interior Color

1. The interior colors in Wright's "Daylight Trains 98 and 99" are the 1937 "as built" colors. Many of the interiors were changed by 1951. Jim Gerstley has a database which lists all of the color drift cards used at that time.
   

2. David Allen
   

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4. Refer to the chapter, "Interiors", Chapter 13 page 533 under "Interior Color Rendings".  Also immediately following is Car Interior Combinations per each numbered car. And, in the same book in the previous chapter of Car Construction, item 134 & 135 under Lot 6500 Sheet 25-27. These are based on the 1937 specs. 
   

5. Gordon Searle
   

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7. I added to the files a 6 page PDF of an SP file issued October 5, 1955, which gives the complete interior colors of SP LW cars built prior to 1942.
   

8. Jeff Cauthen
   

Fabric Color

1. During the 40's and 50's, the colors of the fabric stayed pretty much the same as mentioned in Ch 13 of Daylight Trains 98 and 99. Also, based on my own personal observations as a rider of the Daylights during the '50's, going from car-to-car, I remember seeing maroon or burgundy, teal green and medium blue colored fabric on the seats, which should relate to the specific upholstery and fabric color callouts. 
   

2. Gordon Searle
   

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The 1941 Daylight Train

1. The 1941 order was for a great many cars for the Morning, Noon, and SJ Daylight.  The 1941 order did not include any baggage-chair or straight parlor cars and, as a result, there was not a completely "new" 1941 Morning Daylight. All of the Chair and Parlor cars should have the baggage elevators.
   

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3. SP ordered are complete two-consist sets the Triple Unit Diner. They were delivered in 1941, which included the second pair of triple unit diners. All four pre-war 3-unit diner-kitchen-coffee shops were built for the Coast (Morning) Daylight.
   

1. The 1941 train did not include any 1937 chair cars. The 1939 cars included in 1941 were the tavern, straight parlor and chair-baggage. Every car (except the tavern) on the train had baggage elevators. Every car on the train had Waukesha A/C except the three above. The cars without radio antenna were trainlined to the others that had antenna.
   

2. Jeff Cauthen
   

Skirting

1. As originally delivered they had fluting and 16-inch deep center skirts, as well as full-width diaphragms. The passenger cars on the 1941 "Coast Daylight" still had skirting.
   

Undercarriage

1. The 41 cars should all have Waukesha A/C equipment and Enginators (generators) the earlier cars would have had steam ejectors.
   

Trucks

1. The 1941 cars had a different class of trucks (4-TC-7 with bolster anchors) whereas 1939 cars had Class 4-TC-6 trucks without bolster anchors. 
   

2. Jeff Cauthen
   

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The 1942 Daylight Train

1. The 3-unit diner numbers 10256-58 and 10259-61, according to Wright's book (p.223 "Daylight Equipment") these particular units were delivered in 1942.
   

   For the war years you can eliminate the tavern and parlor cars.

Daylight Parlor Observation Car

1. SP 2950-2951 were removed from service during WWII.
   

The 1947 Daylight Train

1. The post-1946 cars came without full diaphragms to be pulled by the GS or PA's or F's.
   

The Morning Daylight Train

1. On the 1947 Morning Daylinght, there were 5 articulated chair cars in that train.Only one has an antenna. Antennas can also be found on the baggage/chair car, one of the two 44 seat chair cars, the tavern and observation cars.
   

The 1948 Daylight Train

1. In "Day Trains of the Coast Line" they give explicit consists with car numbers up through 1948 but just generic consists after that.
   

2. In 1948 there was a 3rd articulated chair car after the diner.
   

Daylight Parlor Observation Car

1. Rear Mars Lights added on in 1948.
   

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The 1949 Daylight Train

Appropriate SP Passenger Cars on the Coast

1. If you have Dick Wrights Daylight book, then it has the exact consist info you need. You'll need from 18 to 20 cars - the Coast Daylight was big then.
   

2. Jeff Cauthen
   

The Noon Daylight Train

1. The Noon Daylight, Trains Nos. 96-97, did operate with a full baggage car many times, but it’s  doubtful if it was subject to any switching enroute.  See pages 212 and 213 in Richard Wrights "Southern Pacific Daylight, Train 98-99".  Also, pages 7, 195, 208, 268, and 280 in "Southern Pacific's Coast Line Pictorial".
   

2. Jeff Cauthen
   

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4. Those 2nd and 3rd sections of 98-99 were the reason that the Noon Daylight (96-97) was instituted. Those baggage cars were used by the news agent, carried passenger baggage, and maybe some limited express business.
   

5. Jeff Cauthen
   

1. Since there was a small baggage compartment on the Daylight trainset, and was not available to second and third sections, SP utilized conventional baggage cars as needed. Of course, once the Noon Daylight was discontinued in the early 50's (or so) it was primarily due to lack of business (thanks to the Automobile and relatively inexpensive air fares between the Bay Area and LA) there no longer was a need for second and third sections.
   

2. Bill Daniels
   

The Morning Daylight Train

1. The Morning (Coast) Daylight always had a chair-baggage.
   

The 1950 Daylight Train

1. A number of the 1937 and 1939 cars had been refitted with the Waukesha.
   

1. There were several postwar changes, including gradually removing the skirts, maybe starting in 1950-52.
   

2. In 1950 there was a 3rd articulated chair car after the diner.
   

Interior

Lighting

1. The ceiling lights were fluorescent. The wall lights were incandescent [bedrooms, roometttes, compartments, drawing rooms] and of course the night lights were blue. The overhead room light had a blue incandescent bulb, as well as the wall lamps.
   

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3. Recessed fluorescents were introduced in 1934 but how fast everything was converted is unknown. In the early and mid 60's when the Daylight and Lark went to and from San Francisco it was fluorescent.
   

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The 1952 Daylight Train

1. The Daylight was train #98/99.
   

2. In 1952 there was a 4th articulated chair car ahead of the diner.
   

The Coast Daylight Train

1. Daylight Train #98/99 was later renamed the Coast Daylight in 1952.
   

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The 1953 Daylight Train

1. There were several postwar changes, including gradually removing the full-width diaphragms, maybe starting in 1953-54.
   

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3. In 1953, the Daylight carried the articulated Kitchen & Coffee Shop cars of the triple unit diner.
   

   The big domes came in the mid-1950s (and not then to the Coast).

The 1954 Daylight Train

1. In 1954 there was a 4th articulated chair car ahead of the diner.
   

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The 1955 Daylight Train

1. In 1955 there was just one articulated chair car after the diner.
   

The Coast Daylight Train

1. The 1955 Coast Daylight train featured a mixture of both skirted and de-skirted cars, along with some that still had full-width diaphragms, while others had already been removed. All the pre-war cars were deskirted. All the original Daylight cars are de-skirted, and one or two have the replaced flat sides.
   

The 1956 Daylight Train

1. In 1956 there were two articulated chair cars ahead of the diner. There was just one articulated chair car after the diner.
   

The 1957 Daylight Train

1. In 1957 there was just one articulated chair car ahead of the diner. There was just one articulated chair car after the diner.
   

The 1958 Daylight Train

1. In 1958 there were no articulated chair cars ahead of the diner. There was just one articulated chair car after the diner.
   

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Corrugated Daylight Passenger Cars

1. SP ordered cars from both Budd and Pullman. Some Daylight cars had corrugated sides. The Pullman and Budd corrugations were distinctively different. As originally delivered they will had fluting and skirts, as well as full-width diaphragms.
   

References

1. Info on corrugated chairs on the Daylights, get the book Train 98 and 99, The Daylights by Richard K. Wright.
   

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Smooth Side Daylight Passenger Cars

Coast Daylight

1. #2954-2955 built in 1941 and the extra cars built by Pullman in 1954 were the only smooth side Daylight cars as built.
   

Shasta Daylight

1. The only smooth side equipment that was built for the Daylight was the Shasta Daylight large windowed cars.
   

Triple Unit Diner

SP actually ordered three complete two-consist sets the Triple Unit Diner. They were delivered

1) the original 1937 set

2) a set going into service Jan. 5, 1940 which included the first triple unit diners, and

3) a set going into service in 1941, which included the second pair of triple unit diners. 

Daylight Chair Cars

16 - 18 cars Combine, Tavern, Observation never carried corrugated baggage. Daylight trains cars were prototypical Harriman cars.

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Details

Baggage Elevators

1. All of the Chair and Parlor cars should have the baggage elevators. If they are modeled as originally delivered they will have fluting and skirts, as well as full-width diaphragms.
   

1. The 1937 cars did not have baggage elevators.
   

2. The 1939 cars had baggage elevators and steam-ejector A/C and 20-inch deep side skirts.
   

Generators

1. The 1937 cars had steam-ejector A/C, truck mounted generators.
   

2. The 1939 cars had steam-ejector A/C and 20-inch deep side skirts.
   

Marker Lights

1. The marker light arrangement on the Parlor-Observations changed over the years as well, with side markers being replaced by a roof-end unit incorporating red and green markers as well as a red Mars light.
   

Articulated Equipment

1. Articulated equipment was found on the Coast and San Joaquin Daylights every day during their red/orange era.
   

Passenger Car Skirting

1. Passenger cars on the 1941 "Coast Daylight" have skirting and SP removed these skirts after 1950.
   

2. The 1937 cars had 20-inch deep skirts.
   

3. The 1939 cars had 20-inch deep side skirts.
   

1. There were several postwar changes, including gradually removing the skirts, maybe starting in 1950-52.
   

Daylight Trucks

1. On their prewar Daylight equipment, the SP used a triple-bolster design, which was quite distinctive.
   

2. The 4-TC-4, 4-TC- 5, 4-TC-6 trucks were used on the early Daylights. Drawings in Richard Wright's "SP Daylight Train 98-99 Vol 1" which does have photos and drawings of the 4-TC-4, 4-TC-5, 4- TC-6 trucks, but the drawings are not as clear.
   

1. The 4-wheel triple-bolster trucks first appeared on SP Daylight equipment in February 1937. SP continued to buy them in 1938, 1939 and 1941. There were minor variations in the truck frames between the 1937, 1938 and 1941 trucks. Also some variation in brake cylinder size. Some variations in bearings can also be found, especially during the roller bearing era. The articulated trucks, while appearing similar to the non-articulated trucks, were designed to carry much heavier loads since they supported the ends of two cars.
   

2. Jim Gerstley
   

1. The 1941 cars had a different class of trucks (4-TC-7 with bolster anchors) whereas 1939 cars had Class 4-TC-6 trucks without bolster anchors. 
   

2. Jeff Cauthen
   

1. Some of the original Daylight cars received replacement trucks over the years. But the articulated 4-wheel triple bolster trucks were never replaced.
   

2. Jim Gerstley
   

Daylight Triple Unit Diner Trucks

1. The type of trucks the PS #7572, 7573, and 7574 triple unit Diner/Kitchen/Coffee Shop cars used were roller bearing equipped 4-TC-8 trucks at the ends and 6-TCA-2 trucks with special bolsters at the articulating ends.
   

Drumheads

Modeling Drumheads

1. TomarDaylight Drumheads (*see T-39/18-24)
   

Passenger Car Radio Standards

1. SP had no train radio in 1949.
   

Pass Car Radio Antennas

1. Antennas were installed to pick up AM radio. Cars were also wired for on board train announcements. The 1937 observations were built for the Daylight and the Sunbeam. The Daylight (prewar and postwar) chair baggage, taverns, parlor observations and various chair cars, both single unit and articulated had radio antennas. That early date precluded TV reception. The 1938 tavern/lounge cars, the 1939 baggage/coach cars, the 1939 and 1941 observation cars, the 1939 tavern/lounge cars, and the 1941 club lounges, among others all had them.
   

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3. Chairs with antennas and radios are detailed in the Coach and Chair car book prepared by the Southern Pacific Historical and Technical Society.
   

1. According to the Wright consists shows exactly one articulated chair car with an antenna in each consist. Only one half of one articulated chair car had an antenna in each train, and the antenna was always on the 2nd half of the 3rd articulated chair car, counting from the front of the train. In Ryan & Shine's "Day Trains of the Coast Line" shows that once in while there were two with antennas, and once in a while none.
   

1. The other cars in the train that had antennas were the chair-baggage, the tavern, and the parlor-obs.
   

2. The chair car with the antenna is #2492.
   

Full-Width Diaphragms

1. Full-width diaphragms were specified on cars delivered in 1954. But, when the dome-lounge cars were built in 1955, they did not have full-width diaphragms. By 1956/1957 no SP cars still had full-width diaphragms.
   

2. Jeff Cauthen
   

1. The full-width diaphragms began to be removed in 1954-55, not 1953-54.
   

2. John Thompson
   

Full-Width Diaphragms Paint

1. Full-width diaphragms, such as used on the Daylight and other SP trains, had the striking face painted. See page 13 in Tom Dill's San Joaquin Valley Line book.  Also see SP Passenger Car books Volumes 1, 2 & 3 from the SPH&TS.
   

2. Jeff Cauthen
   

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4. Note that there is a buffing surface roughly equal to the buffers on standard diaphragms that does not have paint in most of the pictures. The surface was probably painted when the car was first built so factory pictures will show it painted, but I would surmise that the paint was rubbed off by the end of their trip west. Painted buffers in Niles Canyon show how amazing fast that paint gets rubbed off in a normal operation.
   

5. Joe Mann
   

Interiors

1. Passenger cars in 40’s had window blinds. The information in the "Daylight 98-99" book says that three different types of window curtains but all three had a backing of "Pantasotc Company's Aluminum color #18 Pebble Grain". When the curtain were pulled down you would see a reflective aluminum color from the outside. (*see RMJ 12/99, pg. 48).
   

Modeling the Daylight Passenger Cars

Old Athearn Daylight Cars

1. These are indeed just the old Athearn line of passenger car caricatures, which used to sell for a few bucks in "shake-the-box" kit form, now being sold pre-assembled for much bigger bucks. None have prototypes, all except the baggage and RPO cars are "shorty" versions of full length cars to begin with. The streamlined baggage and RPO are close to ATSF prototype, but unlike anything SP had. The heavyweight RPO is like nothing seen, with its huge doors, but the baggage is again close to Santa Fe. Whether SP had anything close enough in its clerestory-roof baggage cars for this car to be a "SP stand-in".
   

New Athearn 1937 Daylight  Cars

1. The Athearn train will be the 1937 version and going to be as built, pre- war. The Athearn 1937 Daylight will be the train with the diner and coffee shop-tavern. That duplicates what the Coach yard imported a number of years ago.
   

Diaphragms

Athearn

1. With Athearn passenger cars, to add diaphragms to them, use the American Limited diaphragms. They line up, work and look great and don't impede tracking of the car. The part number off hand is 9100. They come in 1 of 3 colors.
   

2. http://www.athearn.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=ATHG97104
   

3. http://www.athearn.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=ATHG97101
   

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5. For a1949 trains are these cars correct for:
   

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7. Various Daylights, Sunset (maybe), Golden State, COSF, SF Overland, Gold Coast, Californian, etc.  Paint schemes would be TTG, Dark Olive Green, Daylight Red & Orange, & Armour Yellow and Harbor Mist Gray.
   

8. Jeff Cauthen
   

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Bachmann Spectrum Passenger Cars

1. The prototype of the Bachmann HO Spectrum passenger cars are the Pennsy.
   

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Balboa Daylight

Triple bolster trucks Passenger Car Trucks

1. Balboa Daylight passenger cars are not very accurate models for SP but are decent runners at an affordable price. Change the trucks for something that is more typical of SP.
   

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3. On their prewar Daylight equipment, the SP used a triple-bolster design, which was quite distinctive. Balboa cars came with a somewhat reasonable version of these trucks, but like most brass trucks, they were poor runners.
   

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Broadway Limited 1941 Daylight

1. This BLI offering is mostly the Coast Daylight in early 40s time era, (the 1941 version car numbers). There are some 1939 cars in the mix but you can build a nice 1941 consist. They will not be just right for one year or another without doing some work. Having 2 different versions would allow you to schedule a meet somewhere in '46, with old lettering meeting new! The years will be limited since they are going to letter the cars with the small "Southern Pacific Lines." Don't purchase unless you are modeling the SP before 1946.
   

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SP Daylight Passenger Cars

1. 680 Baggage-Chair #3302 w/antennae          $ 69.99
   

2. 681 Articulated ChairW #2462/Chair M #2461 w/antenna $129.99
   

3. 682 Articulated Chair W #2474/Chair M #2473 w/antenna $129.99
   

4. 683 Chair #2485                    $69.99
   

5. 684 Parlor #3002                    $69.99
   

6. 685 Parlor Obs #2954 w/antenna           $89.99
   

7. 686 Articulated Coffee shop #10258/Kitchen #10257/Diner #10256 $189.99
   

8. 687 Tavern #10314 w/antenna          $74.99
   

9. 688 Articulated Chair W #2458/Chair M #2457 $129.99 
   

10. 689 Articulated Chair W #2460/Chair M #2459 $129.99 
    

11. 690 Baggage-Chair #3303                    $69.99
    

12. 691 Articulated Chair W #2470/Chair M #2469 $129.99 
    

13. 692 Articulated Chair W #2476/Chair M #2475 $129.99 
    

14. 693 Chair #2486                    $69.99
    

15. 694 Parlor #3003                    $69.99
    

16. 695 Parlor Obs #2955           $89.99
    

17. 696 Articulated Coffee shop #10261/Kitchen #10260/Diner #10259 $189.99
    

18. 697 Tavern #10315 w/antenna           $74.99
    

19. 698 Articulated Chair W #2466/Chair M #2465 $129.99
    

20. 699 Articulated Chair W #2468/Chair M #2467 $129.99 
    

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22. Their list includes only cars from the 1941 versions--but they appear to be offering all cars in both of the 16 car as-delivered consists--Baggage-Chair, Articulated Chair, Articulated Chair, Articulated Chair, Triple Unit Diner-Kitchen-Coffee Shop, Articulated Chair, Chair, Tavern, Parlor, Parlor-Observation. BLI's car numbers agree with the 1941 consists in Wayner's Car Names, Numbers, and Consists, Page 203.
    

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24. Broadway Limited apparently has chosen 3-unit diner numbers 10256-58 and 10259-61. According to Wright's book (pg.223 "Daylight Equipment") these particular units were delivered in 1942. Some of the articulated chair cars chosen by BLI are also listed as delivered in 1942.
    

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26. It also may be worth noting that the first consist listed by BLI has at least 10 of the same numbers as the Challenger 1941 Morning Daylight. 
    

1. There are two problems with BLI's Coast Daylight consist: (1) There should be three articulated chair cars ahead of the diner, not two, and (2) there should normally be only one articulated chair car with an antenna, not two. We can work around this by ordering all four of the non-antenna articulated chair cars (taking two from each trainset) and ordering just one of the articulated chair cars with antenna. That would give us the five articulated chair cars we need, one with an antenna.
   

1. To get the full consist, one would have to buy all four non-antenna articulated chair cars and two with antennas. The 1952-54 consists list 22 cars in each (counting each part of an articulated car as a separate car).
   

Details

Diaphragms

1. The most interesting part of the pictures is that these cars show full width diaphragms. Full width Diaphragms that operate are very hard to make in HO.
   

Trucks

1. For looks and operation one would need to change out the ones that come on them and put the D&G on.
   

Paint

1. The one good point is that the colors on the locos and the cars will match.
   

Lettering & Numbering

   The years will be limited since they are going to letter the cars with the small "Southern Pacific Lines."

1. All the BLI car numbers, including the triple unit diners, are from this ‘41 set, per Wayner's "Cars, Numbers, & Consists", Pg 203. The years will be limited since the cars are lettered with the small "Southern Pacific Lines."
   

Decals

Thin Film

1. Thin Film #180 which is correct for the 1941cars.
   

Broadway Limited 1953 Daylight

1. The 1953 Coast Daylight Chair-Baggage, Chair, Parlor, and Tavern and Parlor-Observation cars, can be re-christened as the 1948 Coast Daylight. You can have the same Parlor-Observation on a 1949 Shasta Daylight.
   

2. Kenneth R. Clark
   

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Challenger Imports Ltd.  (CIL)

1941 Coast Daylight

1. Years ago Challenger offered a brass 1941 version of the train. CIL's was the finest Daylight train *ever* done by anyone, period!
   

1955 Coast Daylight

1. Later Challenger offered a brass 1955 rendition of the Coast Daylight train. The Daylight features a beautifully painted exterior with full painted interiors. The CIL 1955 Coast Daylight train featured a mixture of both skirted and de-skirted cars, along with
   

2. some that still had full-width diaphragms, while others had already been removed. The CIL ‘55 set is pretty accurate for THAT year.
   

3. Paul Lyons
   

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Diaphragms

1. The stock CIL diaphragms do NOT flex. For full width diaphragms, highly recommended are Coach Yard's FWD's. They come in different molded in colors. They even have some pre-colored to correctly match the different colored bands along the cars. Use the basic daylight red / orange FWD's, using a black 'Marks-A-Lot' permanent marker made by Avery for the roof line. For the silver accent stripes use a Sanford Silver Coat extra fine point silver metallic marker. For orange and red use "Zig" brand opaque markers. The silver won't flake off, while the other colors will flake off. Look for black, orange and red colors that will withstand the flexing.
   

Trucks

1. The trucks on the CIL set are terrible. Unless they can match D&G trucks in looks and operation one would need to change out the ones that come on them and put the two axle trucks with those from "D&G Models" on. The D&G are outstanding in every respect with remarkable rolling qualities.
   

Coach Yard

1. You can buy complete trains from Coach Yard.
   

2. Paul Deis
   

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Con-Cor Passenger Cars

1. Other than the heavyweight Bachmann cars, the only other cars in 85' versions are the ones manufactured by Con-Cor. They would not be exact matches for any SP equipment. They have the fluted siding. Walther's lists them as 233-70107 through 233-79107.
   

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3. The Con Cor cars are based on Santa Fe and Burlington prototypes, at least the diner, coach, obs and ACF dome were Santa Fe, the dome being a Santa Fe Super Chief Pleasure Dome; the dome coach, dome obs and sleeper look like California Zephyr or Burlington equipment. The Slumber coach would be Burlington or Northern Pacific. The baggage looks CZ with its doors of different sizes.                                                     http://www.all-railroads.com/instock/ho85pass.html.
   

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"Erie Limited" Daylight Set

1. "Erie Daylight Limited" set import. The cars were made by Kumata, the GS-4 by KTM.
   

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3. Kumata, doesn't have the best reputation. Cars had full interior and made very free rolling Daylight trucks except for articulated diner 6 wheel trucks. The corrugations were nothing to write home about. Each car type had correct window placement and window glass along with interiors, underbody detail.  It came with a factory applied paint in Japan.
   

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5. The GS-4 had can motor and was similar to a late run WSM model with slightly improved detail and with skyline pox.
   

6. Lee Thwaits
   

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8. The real problem with the Erie Limited Daylight set is car weight.The Erie Limited cars are at least 50% heavier and the KTM GS-4 struggles to pull the train.
   

9. Kenneth R. Clark 
   

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11. The HW Daylight Limited cars (bodies) were identical to Soho cars, but the baggage-club car was new.  
    

12. Jeff Cauthen
    

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IHC / Rivarossi Passenger Cars

1. The IHC cars don’t follow any Espee-type cars either. The IHC/Rivarossi set of smooth side Daylights cars are PRR prototype, except for the dome, which is a UP dome coach. IHC's flat end observation is a model of the Broadway Ltd.'s "Tower View" and "Mountain View", but is similar to other observations that PRR ran.
   

Limited Edition

1. The only one who has gotten the fluting right to this point was Bill Anderson of Limited Edition. All of the brass out there has not been right.
   

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MTH 1941 Daylight Passenger Cars

Lettering & Numbering

1. The MTH '41 Daylight cars (in post-1948 "Southern Pacific" lettering) are missing lettering.
   

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PCM

1. The PCM states they will have "operating sprung diaphragms" These are tough to make them operate smoothly and reliably and look good.
   

2. Tony Thompson
   

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SOHO Daylight Cars

1. Replace the Soho trucks with D&G Models then SOHO cars not only can actually ROLL but can actually be pulled by HO locomotives.
   

2. Tony Thompson
   

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Walthers

1. The passenger cars produced by Walther's are superior to those offered by Con-Cor.
   

Modeling Daylight Trucks

1. Note, passenger car trucks are not generic. The exact trucks that are correct for SP depend on the particular passenger car.
   

2. The 4-TC-4, 4-TC- 5, 4-TC-6 trucks were used on the early Daylights. Drawings in Richard Wright's "SP Daylight Train 98-99 Vol 1" which does have photos and drawings of the 4-TC-4, 4-TC-5, 4- TC-6 trucks, but the drawings are not as clear. 
   

Brass trucks

1. Brass trucks would certainly assist those who want to do interior lighting, drumhead illumination, or other forms of detection. Buy those instead, at least for rear end cars. But, alas, they are no longer available.
   

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3. There are some brass components for the trucks still around, and they build up into a nice looking model. I will not assemble the brass trucks, and recommend that it be attempted only by advanced modelers. Because of shrinkage of the brass when cast using the lost wax method, some resizing of the holes in the journals for the nylon bearing inserts is required [note some kind of electrical pickup is still required as the trucks are still insulated from the track, but this gives free rolling characteristics]. Some soldering is also required during assembly, without burning up the springs, melting the bearing inserts etc. Recommend using the NMRA 88 wheelsets to make sure the wheels cannot rub up against the frame and cause a short.
   

4. Jim Gerstley
   

D&G Models

1. D&G Models does however, make a very nice version of the SP triple-bolster design. This truck (as well as other variants of this truck) are truly fantastic trucks... but they run $15.00 a pair. Not only do the D&G trucks roll better than any other truck on the market, they are also prototypically correct.
   

2. You can check the D&G website for more information:
   

3. http://www.dandgmodels.com/index.html
   

4. Bill Daniels
   

5. Use for Daylight trucks.
   

6. Best in the hobby. Web page is www.dandgmodels.com
   

7.   e-mail          dandgmodels@yahoo.com.
   

Roundhouse

1. Roundhouse used to offer a plastic version of this truck, but aren’t available any more.
   

2. Tim O'Connor
   

Walthers

1. On their prewar Daylight equipment, the SP used a triple-bolster design, which was quite distinctive, but in no way resembles the drop equalizer truck Walthers is selling. The Walthers 43-R is a better looking truck than the old MRC truck. However, the D&G truck not only looks better but rolls MUCH better than the Walthers. It's true that Walthers has electrical pickup, and use of wipers on the D&G trucks will somewhat impair rollability. Another viable option, though, may be to use batteries, considering how little power diode lights take. Also avoids flicker. Years ago Dick Wright suggested using the reed switch as a means for turning lights on and off, either when starting and ending an operating session, or as a means of operating the Daylight's step lights entering and leaving a station.
   

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Modeling Daylight Trucks

Triple Unit Diner Trucks

1. The type of trucks the PS #7572, 7573, and 7574 triple unit Diner/Kitchen/Coffee Shop cars used were roller bearing equipped 4-TC-8 trucks at the ends and 6-TCA-2 trucks with special bolsters at the articulating ends. Nobody makes these unfortunately. The new Walthers 10-6 sleeper will have a similar truck to the 4-TC designs which may be usable for the ends at least.
   

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3. See Wright's "Daylight" book for pictures and drawings of the earlier 6-TCA-1 design along with the early diner articulation design. How much difference there was compared with the newer Shasta cars I can't tell you.
   

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5. D&G Models makes the necessary trucks for the ends and Coach yards makes the trucks for the articulated ends. The D&G trucks are probably the best you can get, and are accurate to a fault. The six-wheel trucks under the articulated sections of the three-unit diner/coffee shop/kitchen sets. Replace the Soho trucks with D&Gs but you’ll have to keep the six-axle brass clunkers for the middle pair.
   

Paint

Prototype Paint

1. The Morning and Noon Daylights of the Coast Line painted in Daylight colors. Repainting was fairly prompt.
   

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3. An original 1941 coach was still in daylight colors as late as 1966 on a slide of it at LAUPT. Another car was a smooth side coach, probably from the Shasta Daylight bunch in the train still in daylight colors.
   

Color Name

1. The SP name for this color was "Daylight Exterior Red," CS color no. 28, and it kept that name and number long after the Daylight trains and paint schemes were history.
   

2. Tony Thompson
   

Widths  of Colors Bands

1. There is a "Daylight" color scheme which was applied to cars originally assigned to the Coast, Shasta , etc. Daylights. 
   

1. The corrugated cars had the aluminum-bronze 3/4" pinstripes on the top and bottom of the windows and Shasta cars had the aluminum-bronze 3/4" pinstripe 1 1/16" above and below the windows.
   

References

1. Modifications to that scheme for a service  can likely be found at the CSRM library in its drawings, and much other information is available in SP Passenger cars, volumes 1 and 2.
   

1. See page 595 in Dick Wright's "Southern Pacific Daylight, Train 98-99;  The drawing doesn't have dimensions, but you could reverse engineer it. It does show where all the stripping goes. And, remember all stripping locations were measured from top of the rail, which is shown in this drawing.
   

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3. Find the April 1978 issue of Prototype Modeler it has a 5 page article on Daylight painted cars by Dave Blanchard -- the last page has the dimensions for painting the stripes you are looking for and the article also has a step by step guide to painting daylight cars.
   

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5. Jeff Cauthen is noted in the article for supplying prototype drawings  and data.
   

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7. Look at Mainline Modeler May 1995 page 39 in which Bill Anderson talks about the Daylight painted cars.
   

8. Ron Plies
   

Lettering & Numbering

1. 1) as originally delivered with  4 1/2" "Southern Pacific Lines" (outlined in black) on the letterboards
   

2. 2) as modified in 1946 deleting "Lines" and increasing the size to 5"
   

3. 3) as modified in 1948 adding car types to the letterboard ends.
   

pre 1946

1. SP lettering, Aluminum Bronze
   

post 1946

1. SP lettering Gray with black lining
   

end of 1947

1. Very few passenger cars made it to the end of 1947 with "Lines" lettering, at least for premium trains like the Daylight. Secondary and support cars may have taken somewhat longer.
   

2. Tony Thompson   
   

post 1958

1. SP lettering Gray without black lining
   

2. use Thin Film #180 which is correct for these cars.
   

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4. SP 10400 received the stylized grey Daylight Logo, while 10401 had only the car number on the name plate.
   

5. It carried the San Joaquin logo.
   

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Modeling Daylight Passenger Cars Lettering & Numbering

Decals

Champ

1. The Champ logo being the only one that is right for the Daylight, Lark and Cascade.
   

Microscale SP Daylight decals

1. They need to revise their #87-1055 "SP Shasta Daylight and Coast Daylight Passenger Cars (1947-1958)" set to include the black outlining that lettering for those cars had before the 1958 revision. The present Microscale set 87-1055 is fine for post-1958 cars, but we need that black outlining for pre-1958 modeling.
   

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3. The SPTC didn’t change their Pax car markings overnight, therefore the pre-1958 could be used with post 58 and establish time frame period (s) .
   

Thin Film - (1941 cars)

1. Thin Film #180 which is correct for the 1941cars.
   

Thin Film - (1958 cars)

1. Thin Film #158 is right for both Daylight and 2TG post 1958 era streamlined cars. Part of it still has to be cobbled up even then.
   

2. You get two sheets in each pack. The sets do not include any striping or heralds, only lettering, numbers, and car names (as appropriate) for that particular scheme.
   

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4. At first glance, it looks like enough stuff to letter TWO cars. However, after closer scrutiny, each of the sheets is split into a top half with somewhat BOLDER font lettering, and the bottom half with thinner font lettering. The only difference between the two halves is that the bottom part (thinner font) has the very small "car type" names (Baggage, Chair, Diner, Dome Lounge, Commute etc) that would go on the ends of the car on the red stripe, and the bolder font top half does not include these. So, in other words, each 6.00 set would completely letter ONE car of either the 1st generation red/silver scheme, or the 2nd generation scheme, or one car of each type.
   

5. Pat Flynn
   

1. With the ThinFilm Decals, the pinstripes are way too thick.
   

2. Jason Hill
   

Daylight Operations

1. The Daylight would never stop in Surf.
   

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3. Steam motive power changed at SLO. The northbound would pull in and a 2-10-2 helper with a new replacement engine, a 4-8-4, would be waiting on the adjacent track. The helper would cut off at Santa Margarita and wyed and run back to SLO.
   

1. In 1953 the Lark and Daylight both had Oakland sections that were split off or joined to the San Francisco section at San Jose. In addition, there was a coach from the Daylight that was switched to a commute train to accommodate passengers to and from the peninsula. This finished about 1958 or ‘59. The switching was performed quickly by a San Jose switch engine. The Daylight had the parlor cars on the rear and those went to SF, so the switcher had to cut the Oakland and local cars, drop them and then get the parlors back on the rear of the Daylight. Not much more than 10 minutes was allowed for this switching,
   

2. Mike Tisdale
   

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Car Location

1. In 1952 and 1954, there was a 4th articulated chair car ahead of the diner, and in 1948 and 1950 there was a 3rd articulated chair car after the diner. With each trainset, we'd really want three articulated chairs ahead of the diner and two after it, (or sometimes four) before 1956. In 1956 there were just two ahead of the diner, and just one in 1957, and none in 1958. In 1955-1958 there was just one after the diner.
   

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3. As for the single (non-articulated) chair cars, there was one in1946-47, none in 1948, one in 1949, none in 1950, one in 1951-54, three in 1955, one in 1956, and two in 1957-58. Their exact locations changed among the cars after the diner.
   

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5. The parlor car should be turned so that its vestibule is next to the parlor observation.
   

6. Jeffrey Alan Cauthen
   

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Antenna Location

1. According to the Wright consists, only one half of one articulated chair car had an antenna in each train, and the antenna was always on the 2nd half of the 3rd articulated chair car, counting from the front of the train. So we'd only want one articulated chair car with an antenna in our train.
   

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3. On the 1947 Morning Daylinght, there were 5 articulated chair cars in that train. Only one has an antenna. Antennas can also be found on the baggage/chair car, one of the two 44 seat chair cars, the tavern and observation cars.
   

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5. Research in Wright's Daylight book shows exactly one articulated chair car with an antenna in each consist, but more detailed consists in Ryan & Shine's "Day Trains of the Coast Line" shows that once in while there were two with antennas, and once in a while none.
   

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7. The other cars in the train that had antennas were the chair-baggage, the tavern, and the parlor-obs.
   

8. The chair car with the antenna is #2492.
   

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Specific Daylight Cars

Baggage Cars

Baggage Cars Heavyweight Daylight Passenger Cars

Baggage/Postal 70 foot (40 foot baggage/30 foot RPO) Harriman arch roof:

T&NO 141, 148 - Pullman-built 1916

Club Lounge 75 foot Harriman arch roof:

2920, 2929 - ACF-built 1924-1923 in baggage club series 3211-3228 and rebuilt at Sacramento in 1937, painted Daylight 1947 2980 - Pullman-built

1913-14 in baggage club series 3229-3232 rebuilt by Sacramento 1940, painted Daylight 1947

Baggage/coach 60 foot Harriman arch roof:

3176 - Rider coach for the San Joaquin Daylight Lathrop-Tracy midday layover move. 3176 does not appear in the ‘33 Pacific lines diagrams but does appear in a January 1, 1952 equipment roster. Painted Daylight ‘41.

Storage Mail 80 foot (20 foot baggage/60 foot RPO) monitor roof:

4301 - St Louis Car-built 1937. Originally 7242 of 7240-7249 series, part of the 4300-4302 series on the 1/1/1952 roster.

By the 5/6/1959 SP car assignment list (59CA), listed as an 80 foot baggage, repainted simulated stainless steel and assigned  to the Golden State.

Baggage-Postal 70 foot (40 foot baggage/30 foot RPO) Harriman arch roof:

5069-5070 Pullman-built 1927 in series 5065-5070. Painted Daylight Sacramento 1941. By 59CA, 5069 was painted simulated stainless steel, with both cars assigned to Trains 39-40.

Baggage-Postal 70 foot (40 foot baggage/30 foot RPO) Harriman arch roof:

5124 - Standard Steel Car-built 1925 in series 5123-5128. Painted Daylight 1942.

Baggage-Postal 80 foot (20 foot baggage/60 foot RPO) monitor roof:

5217-5219 - St Louis Car-built 1937. Originally 7247, 7248 and 7240 of 7240-7249 series. By 59CA, all painted Daylight with 5217-8 assigned to SJ Daylight and 5219 assigned to Trains 57-58.

Baggage 60 foot Harriman arch roof:

6029 - Pullman-built 1909 for O&C 6025-6034 series. Painted Daylight 1941 for the San Joaquin.

Baggage 70 foot Harriman arch roof:

6083, 6085, 6091, 6092 - Bethlehem Shipbuilding-built 1927 for series 6083 -6092. By 59CA, car/color/train assignments were: 6083/gray/11-12, 6085/ Daylight/51/20-19/58, 6091/gray/11-12, 6092/Daylight/9-10.

Baggage 70 foot Harriman arch roof:

6204 - Pullman-built 1912 for series CP 6203-12. Painted for the San Joaquin in 1941.

Baggage 70 foot Harriman arch roof:

6448 - Standard Steel Car-built 1928 in series 6444-6453. Painted Daylight 1946. By 59CA, color was still Daylight and train assignment was 51/20- 19/58.

Baggage-Postal 80 foot (20 foot baggage/60 foot RPO) monitor roof:

6506-6507 - St Louis Car-built 1937. Originally 7229, 7230. Painted Daylight 1950. By 59CA, still painted Daylight and assigned to Trains 51-52.

Class 79-CB-1 Chair Baggage (Coast Daylight)

1. The real cars did not have a diaphragm at the front of the car. You might want to remove it before you paint it. The prototype cars did indeed have a narrow diaphragm at the baggage end. The orange band of paint went across it. Both the 77 foot and 79 foot Chair Baggage's came with a diaphragm on the baggage end but it was without the full-width extensions. The diaphragm is correct for this car. The front didn't have the full width diaphragm and the daylight orange stripes came completely around the car end.
   

Paint

Lettering & Numbering

1. Daylight cars had the car type printed in silver at one end like "Chair", "Parlor"..etc.
   

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3. Some roads put "Baggage" at the baggage end, and "Chair" at the chair end. This is, indeed, how the SP handled it.
   

4. See page 276 in :                                                      Southern Pacific Passenger Cars, Volume 1: Coaches and Chair Cars.
   

Insignia

1. Pre - 1958    Daylight in aluminum bronze
   

2. Post 1958     dark gray insignia
   

Modeling Chair Baggage Cars

Lettering & Numbering

Microscale Insignia

1. Microscale sheet #1055. #1055 says its for either the Coast Daylight or the Shasta Daylight.
   

Chair Cars

77-C Class Chair Cars

1. The 77-C-1 and -2 classes were used on the Daylight and Sunbeam. 
   

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Diner

1. Diner          10200                                                     Coast Daylight       98
   

2. Diner          10201                                                     Coast Daylight                99
   

3. Diner          10205                                                     Coast Daylight       991960 PT2-264                   
   

    Diner                10038, 10040        77’ monitor roof:             Pullman-built 1926. Painted Daylight 1946

    Diner                10115, 10117        77’ Harriman arch roof:  Pullman-built 1926. Painted Daylight 1946

    Diner                10148                    77’ monitor roof:             Pullman-built 1926. Painted Daylight 1946

1.     Diner                10096-10503        77’ Harriman arch roof,   rebuilt from 72' 6" observation by SP Sacramento in ’21. Converted    
   

2.                                                                                                    to Hamburger/Grill by SP Sacramento ‘52, probably painted    
   

3.                                                                                                    Daylight when converted.
   

    Diner                 10098, 10505       77’ Harriman arch roof,   Converted to Hamburger/Grill by SP Sacramento 1952, probably    

                                                                                                    painted Daylight when converted.

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Articulated Diner

1.     SP 10250 - 10252     Morning Daylight    98    reassigned to Morning Daylight 1948 PT2-
   

2.     SP 10253 - 10255
   

3.     SP 10256 - 10258
   

4.     SP 10259 - 10261
   

5.     SP 10277 - 10279    was rebuilt from corrugated to smooth sheathing in June 1962; all three cars done at the same time.
   

Modeling Articulated Diners

Limited Editions

1. Craftsmen kits; originals were of aluminum extrusion, last versions were resin. Mr. Anderson, who manufactured these, 
   

2. (1) he recommended contact or rubber cement for construction, put on lightly
   

3. (2) take great care to put these together and take your time; he had an excellent and patient modeler build cars for his layout
   

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5. kit #7416  201' Articulated Diner-Coffee shop; 1939/1941 Daylight
   

Union Station Products

1. #7417       prewar "Daylight" 3 car articulated diner/kitchen/coffee shop, fluted side
   

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Triple-unit Diner

1.     2280-2281Coast Daylight99became #10259-60-61  Pullman 194168-68
   

Triple Unit Diner Trucks

1. What type of trucks are on the PS #7572, 7573, and 7574 triple unit Diner/Kitchen/Coffee Shop cars?
   

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3. These cars used roller bearing equipped 4-TC-8 trucks at the ends and 6-TCA-2 trucks with special bolsters at the articulating ends. Nobody makes these unfortunately. The new Walthers 10-6 sleeper will have a similar truck to the 4-TC designs which may be usable for the ends at least.
   

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5. See Wright's "Daylight" book for pictures and drawings of the earlier 6-TCA-1 design along with the early diner articulation design. How much difference there was compared with the newer Shasta cars I can't tell you.
   

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7. The SP cars used a cup and ball articulated arrangement above the common truck. The C&O, IC, and NYC cars were not articulated and did not share a truck; they were coupled using a drawbar. The last operable triple unit SP diner/lounge, the Cascade Club, has been at the Golden Gate RR museum for many years.
   

Modeling Triple Unit Trucks

D&G Models

1. D&G makes the necessary trucks for the ends and Coach yards makes the trucks for the articulated ends. The D&G trucks are probably the best you can get, and are accurate to a fault. The six-wheel trucks under the articulated sections of the three-unit diner/coffee shop/kitchen sets. Replace the Soho trucks with D&Gs but you’ll have to keep the six-axle brass clunkers for the middle pair.
   

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3. The D&G trucks are indeed the best around, but they do not belong on the Shasta triple-unit diners. Those cars had 41-N-11 (SP class 4-TC-8) 4-wheel trucks at the car ends.
   

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Hamburger Grill Heavyweight Cars

Painting

1. SP 10500-10513. When painted green the car number was centered on the lower panel, there being no service designation.
   

Lettering & Numbering

1. Daylight colors had the lettered Hamburger Grill and not the same cars.
   

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Kitchen Cars  (Morning Daylight)

1. The 1939 and 1941 kitchen cars originally had one center door flanked by loading windows on the kitchen side. The 1941 kitchen cars came with a low loading door on the aisle side. The 1939 kitchen cars had this low loading door added later. The loading windows were replaced by doors in 1952 or thereabouts.
   

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4. The articulated kitchen car should be a #10251 or #10254. The  difference is ...
   

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6. #10251 & 10254 have a two-piece loading door in the center and a two-piece loading window at each end
   

7. #10257 (and #10260) have 3 two-piece loading doors
   

Lettering & Numbering

1. Concerning the "SOUTHERN PACIFIC" letterboard, the 'N' of SOUTHERN, is centered over the middle of the 'Daylight' w/herald sign below.
   

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70-AD-1  Lunch Cars

1. AAR-car-type designation for All Day Lunch Cars
   

2. The Coast Daylight articulated units were 70-AD-1, 57-AD-1, 70-AD-2, etc.
   

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Lunch-Counter Tavern

SP 10310 Lettering

1. Reference SP 10310 Lunch-Counter Tavern in post-1946 lettering - Daylight paint scheme, on the letterboard. There is a door to the right of mid-car that splits the letterboard unevenly left-right.
   

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3. Question: Was the "Southern Pacific" lettering split with "Southern" on one side of the door and "Pacific" on the other side, or was the word "Pacific" divided with
   

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5. The R. K. Wright "Daylight" book on page 407 shows a drawing where the door intrudes fully into the letterboard, all the way up to the roofline. This may be an error, though, since the photo on the  previous page, 405, shows what appears to be the door opening. It is between the supply/bottle locker and the coal bin, and there is a cabinet above the door, which means the door in the drawing is probably too high.
   

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7. George Trager drew those plans from original P-S plans that showed the door up into the letterboard. Problem is when they built the cars, the doors only went to the bottom of the letterboard.
   

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9. The drawings the Daylight book are incorrect; the loading door do not go into the letterboards on either 10310-10311, 10400-10401, or 10200-10201. Another plan I have does not show a coal bin. But, before bottled gas was added to the cars, they had to burn something in the stoves. It was either coal or Pres-to-logs. Pres-to-logs were invented in 1930 by the Potlatch Company.
   

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11. The Daylight had a diner and they cooked on using coal.
    

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14. The drawings the Daylight book are incorrect, as the loading doors do not go into the letterboards on either 10310-10311, 10400-10401, or 10200-10201. Interestingly, however, when Dick Wright did his MHP-Wright HO models of these cars the sides were correctly done, at least on the 10200 that I have--apparently he didn't follow the drawings in his own book.
    

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16. Also, the photo of the kitchen in 10310-10311 at page 405 of the Daylight book appears to me to be a longitudinal view--note the curve of the ceiling--and doesn't show the side loading door. The door visible in that photo looks to be the door between the kitchen and  the coffee shop section--the lower photo on pg. 404 is of the same door, this time opened, from the opposite direction. Note the horizontally-oriented rectangular window--the side loading doors presumably had vertically-oriented windows similar to those in the  doors of the articulated kitchen cars. (curiously, there are no exterior builder's shots of these earlier cars in the book).
    

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18. In the Daylight book there were almost no 37 builder's photos for any of the other cars either! There are exterior shots of the 64-ACM-1, plus a coupled shot of the 64-ACW-1, and an end shot of a 77-PRO-1, but other than a couple of  under-construction shots that's all there is.
    

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Coffee Shops

1. Coffee Shop-Kitchen-Dining10252-51-50Coast Daylight         99
   

2. Coffee Shop-Kitchen-Dining10255-54-53Coast Daylight        99   ran ‘41 on Noon Daylight
   

3. Coffee Shop-Kitchen-Dining10258-57-56Morning Daylight98   propane stove & loading hatch aisle side of kitchen
   

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5. Coffee Shop Tavern                   10310         Coast Daylight     2-98   1938
   

6. Coffee Shop Tavern                   10311         Coast Daylight     2-98   1938
   

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8. Coffee Shop                             10400         Coast Daylight             98    r  delivered to SP in January 1938 for the Coast Daylight. For the time period, 1955, these two cars were operating on the Starlight.
   

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10. Coffee Shop                             10401         Coast Daylight        99    r  delivered to SP in January 1938 for the Coast Daylight. For the time period, 1955, these two cars were operating on the Starlight.
    

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12. "r"  beside the cars that have radio receivers
    

Modeling Coffee Shops

Limited Editions

1. craftsmen kits; originals were of aluminum extrusion, last versions were resin.  Following is from Mr. Anderson, who manufactured these, who I met in Sept 2001.  (1) he recommended contact or rubber cement for construction, put on lightly
   

2. (2) take great care to put these together and take your time; he had an excellent and patient modeler build cars for his layout
   

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4. kit #7402  77' Coffee shop; 1938 Daylight, green general service
   

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Tavern                  

1. Tavern                   SP 10310 - 10311
   

2.                                   SP 10312 - 10313Coast Daylight98 / 99                                                r a
   

3.                                   SP 10314 - 10315Coast Daylight98     ran 4/13/46 on Morning Daylightr a
   

4.                          SP 10315                   Coast Daylight98     ran 4/13/46 on Morning  Daylight r a
   

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6. "r" and "ra" beside the cars that have radio receivers and roof antennas
   

Modeling Tavern

Limited Editions

1. craftsmen kits; originals were of aluminum extrusion, last versions were resin.  Following is from Mr. Anderson, who manufactured these, who I met in Sept 2001.  (1) he recommended contact or rubber cement for construction, put on lightly
   

2. (2) take great care to put these together and take your time; he had an excellent and patient modeler build cars for his layout
   

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4. kit #7421  79' Tavern; 1939 Daylight
   

Union Station Products

1. #7403       79' prewar "Daylight" tavern lounge, fluted
   

2. #7417       prewar "Daylight" 3 car articulated diner/kitchen/coffee shop, fluted side
   

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Sleeper

1. Sleeper                           3548Coast Daylight7622 roomette          Pullman
   

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Postal Cars

RPO's and Daylights

1. The Shasta, San Joaquin and Sunbeam trains carried a working RPO. The San Joaquin Daylight first carried a Bag-Mail car with a 30' mail apartment. That was later replaced with a car with a 60' mail apartment. Both cars were rebuilt heavyweights. It is safe to say that the Shasta's #5000-5002 were the only RPO's built new for a "Daylight" service
   

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3. The Sunbeam was the 2nd full train to use the 1937 Pullman built 77' and 64' Daylight cars with the headend and rear cars being the only cars different than the ones built for the Coast Daylight. It wasn't the Sunbeam Daylight (some call it the Texas Daylight, but if you're a Texan that's a slander). It certainly wasn't CALLED a Daylight. Compare Coast, San Joaquin, and Shasta trains.
   

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