Southern Pacific Lines

Coast Line Division 

“The Route of the Octopus”

 
 

General Information

The Shasta Daylight History  (Train 9 & 10)

  1. SP Shasta Daylight Train #9/10 ran between Oakland and Portland.



Shasta Daylight Train Consist

Shasta Daylight Steam Motive Power

4-8-2  MT-4

Modeling Shasta Daylight Motive Power

Athearn

  1. Athearn are doing locomotives, the MT-4 4-8-2 Southern Pacific for the Valley. Athearn models of the Sacramento-built MT4  4-8-2 will come with or without the signature SP "skyline" casing. Individually applied parts include piping, valves, generators and more. Two tender variations are offered.


Shasta Diesel Motive Power

E-7

  1. The railroad intended to power these trains with two A-B-B sets of E-7 units delivered in 1947. However, these units proved unsuited for the Cascade Mountains and were quickly re-assigned to the Sunset Route. SP replaced them with A-B-A sets of Alco PAs in Daylight colors.

  2. Bruce Bloch


  1. The E7s were used only briefly on the Shasta Daylight the first few weeks. When it was determined they had difficulty on grades, they were pulled in favor of using Alco PA/PB sets. 


  1. In 1962 the Shasta Daylight #9, was powered by an EMD E7A.

  2.     SP 6000 (E7A)

Modeling Shasta Daylight E7A

Broadway Limited

Challenger Imports

  1. If you want a prototypic train to operate behind your HO scale Broadway Limited E7s, try the Shasta Daylight just imported by Challenger Imports:       http://www.challengerimports.com/instockDetail.aspx?project_id=19


  3. If the Shasta follows what Challenger Imports has offered previously in brass passenger trains, then it is exceptionally accurate and well done.

Life-Like



PA

  1. By 1949 the premier passenger trains were the Shasta Daylight, powered by Alco PABA sets.

        SP 6008    (ALCO PA-1)

        SP 5920    (ALCO PB-2)

  1. By 1962 the Shasta Daylight, powered by Alco PABA sets.

        SP 6008    (ALCO PA-1)

        SP 5920    (ALCO PB-2)

Modeling Shasta Daylight E7A

Athearn

Broadway Limited

Life-Like


FP7A

  1. In 1963 the Shasta Daylight, was powered by Electromotive FP7A sets.

  2.     SP 6460 (FP7A)

  3.     SP 8109 (F7B)

  4.     SP 6457 (FP7A)


  6.     SP 6453 (FP7A)

  7.     SP 8294 (F7B)

  8.     SP 6451 (FP7A)


FP7

  1. In 1966 the Shasta Daylight, was powered by Electromotive FP7 sets.

  2.     SP 6456 (FP7)

  3.     SP 6461 (FP7)

Modeling Shasta Daylight FP7

Athearn

Atlas

Intermountain


F7A

  1. In 1962 the Shasta Daylight, was partially powered by Electromotive F7 sets.

  2.     SP 6000 (F7A)


F7B

  1. In 1963 the Shasta Daylight, was partially powered by Electromotive F7 sets.

  2.     SP 8109 (F7B)

  3.     SP 8294 (F7B)



Shasta Daylight Passenger Equipment

Prototype History

  1. The 1941 versions cars were: Baggage-Chair, Articulated Chair, Articulated Chair, Articulated Chair, Triple Unit Diner-Kitchen-Coffee Shop, Articulated Chair, Chair, Tavern, Parlor, Parlor-Observation. 


  3. All of the Chair and Parlor cars should have the baggage elevators. As originally delivered, they had fluting and skirts, as well as full-width diaphragms.


  5. The marker light arrangement on the Parlor-Observations changed over the years as well, with side markers being replaced by a roof-end unit incorporating red and green markers as well as a red Mars light.


  1. The first new cars to arrive for exclusive use on the SP were 29 cars from Pullman Standard in Daylight paint for the brand new Shasta Daylight. These cars differed from the prewar Daylight cars in that they had larger windows and smooth sides. The cars arrived in 1949 and SP inaugurated the new train. The two observation cars from the 1941 Coast Daylight order completed the trains. The 1941 cars looked quite different from the 1949 cars because they kept their fluting and smaller windows.

   Bruce Bloch


RPO's

1949

  1. Baggage-Mail#5000  5001

  2. The Shasta trains carried a working RPO. It is safe to say that the Shasta's #5000-5002 were the only RPO's built new for a "Daylight" service.

  3. Tony Thompson


Corrugated Daylight Passenger Cars

Shasta Daylight Cars

  1. The Pullman built all cars except for the observations.


Smooth Side Shasta Daylight Passenger Cars

  1. The only smooth side equipment that was built for the Daylight was the Shasta Daylight large windowed cars. Most of the prewar corrugated side cars were rebuilt in the 1960s with the "aluminum foil" sides, but those would not have been painted red/orange like that, with the exception of SP 3300 during its time as a support car for 4449, some years after its days hauling passengers for SP!


  3. Articulated equipment was found on the Coast and San Joaquin Daylights every day during their red/orange era.


Parlor-Observation Cars

  1. The Shasta Daylight's streamlined obs cars got the "second generation" updated marker cluster with Mars or Pyle National Gyra-Lite oscillating red light at center and the flanking fixed small aspect red and green roof markers as adjunct to the fixed markers on the cars' letter board ends.Rear-end collisions with the Lark forced SP to adopt oscillating red tail lamps on their passenger observation, sleeping cars and business cars.


  1. All parlor-observation classes operated on the Shasta Daylight at one time or another, the SP 2950-2953 as relief cars. 

  2. Jeff Cauthen


  1. By the 1953 Post War Coast Daylight timeframe they (#2954 &2955) were running at the end of the Shasta Daylight, not the Coast Daylight (Wright page 433).

  2. Ken Clark


Details

Diaphragms

  1. The cars were shopped in the very late 50s and early 60s, the full width diaphragms were changed out for the regular diaphragms. If you are waiting for a version with the regular diaphragms on it, then you should also be looking for the complete train with the SSS and Scarlett letterboards.

  2. Jim Scott

Trucks

Triple-unit Diners Trucks

  1. Those cars had 41-N-11 (SP class 4-TC-8) 4-wheel trucks at the car ends.


Paint

  1. The Shasta Daylight was painted in Daylight colors.

  2. Bruce Bloch


  4. The one good point is that the colors on the locs and the cars will match.


Lettering & Numbering

  1. As originally delivered with  4 1/2" "Southern Pacific Lines" (outlined in black) on the letterboards

  2. As modified in 1948 adding car types to the letterboard ends.

pre 1946

  1. SP lettering, Aluminum Bronze

1946

  1. SP changed the lettering scheme by adopting bigger letters (5”) and dropping the word "Lines" from the letterboards. The change occurred gradually as the cars were repainted.

end of 1947

  1. Few passenger cars made it to the with "Lines" lettering, at least for premium trains like the Daylight. Secondary and support cars may have taken somewhat longer.

post 1946

  1. SP lettering Gray with black lining

1948

  1. As modified in 1948 adding car types to the letterboard ends.

post 1958

  1. SP lettering Gray without black lining



Typical Shasta Daylight Consists

1941 Shasta Daylight Consist Train #

  1. Baggage-Chair

  2. Articulated Chair

  3. Articulated Chair

  4. Articulated Chair

  5. Triple Unit Diner-Kitchen-Coffee Shop

  6. Articulated Chair

  7. Chair

  8. Tavern

  9. Parlor

  10. Parlor-Observation. 


1949 Shasta Daylight Consist Train #9                1949 Shasta Daylight Consist Train #10

  1. Baggage-Mail                         #5000                Baggage-Mail                           #5001

  2. 46-seat Chair car (News Agent)   2381                46-seat Chair car (News Agent)    2390

  3. 48-seat Chair car (Forward)         2382                48-seat Chair car (Forward)          2391

  4. 48-seat Chair car (Forward)        2383                48-seat Chair car (Forward)          2392

  5. 48-seat Chair car (rear)        2384                48-seat Chair car (rear)            2393

  6. 38-seat Chair car (Crew's Room) 2385               38-seat Chair car (Crew's Room)  2394

  7. 66-seat Coffee Shop unit       10262               66-seat Coffee Shop unit          10265

  8. Kitchen unit       10263               Kitchen unit          10266

  9. 66-seat Dining Room unit       10264               66-seat Dining Room unit          10267

  10. 48-seat Chair car (rear)         2386               48-seat Chair car (rear)            2395

  11. 48-seat Chair car (Forward)         2387               48-seat Chair car (Forward)          2396

  12. 48-seat Chair car (rear)         2388               48-seat Chair car (rear)            2397

  13. Timberline Tavern car               10316                Timberline Tavern car                10317

  14. 48-seat Chair car (rear)2389               48-seat Chair car (rear)2398

  15. 22-seat Parlor-Observation car2954               22-seat Parlor-Observation car2955


1955 Shasta Daylight Consist Train #9                1955 Shasta Daylight Consist Train #10

  1. Baggage-Mail                         #5000                 Baggage-Mail                            #5001

  2. 46-seat Chair car (News Agent)   2381                 46-seat Chair car (News Agent)    2390

  3. 48-seat Chair car (Forward)         2382                 48-seat Chair car (Forward)          2391

  4. 48-seat Chair car (Forward)         2383                48-seat Chair car (Forward)          2392

  5. 48-seat Chair car (rear)         2384                48-seat Chair car (rear)             2393

  6. 38-seat Chair car (Crew's Room) 2385                38-seat Chair car (Crew's Room)  2394

  7. 66-seat Coffee Shop unit       10262                66-seat Coffee Shop unit           10265

  8. Kitchen unit       10263                Kitchen unit           10266

  9. 66-seat Dining Room unit       10264                66-seat Dining Room unit          10267

  10. 48-seat Chair car (rear)         2386                48-seat Chair car (rear)             2395

  11. 48-seat Chair car (Forward)         2387                48-seat Chair car (Forward)          2396

  12. 48-seat Chair car (rear)         2388                48-seat Chair car (rear)             2397

   Dome-Lounge car         3605                Dome-Lounge car             3606

  1. 48-seat Chair car (rear)         2389                48-seat Chair car (rear) 2398

  2. 44-seat Chair car                                  44-seat Chair car

  3. 22-seat Parlor-Observation car2954                22-seat Parlor-Observation car 2955


1962 Shasta Daylight Consist Train #9              

  1. Baggage                  6600               

  2. 4-4-2 Sleeper                  9113               

  3. 46-seat Chair car                  2381               

  4. 54-seat Chair car                  2412               

  5. 48-seat Chair car (rear)         2384               

  6. 38-seat Chair car (Crew's Room) 2385               

  7. 66-seat Coffee Shop unit       10265               

  8. Kitchen unit       10266               

  9. 66-seat Dining Room unit       10267              

  10. 46-seat Chair car        2446              

  11. 46-seat Chair car        2445              

  12. 48-seat Chair car        2352              

   Dome-Lounge car        3606              

  1. 48-seat Chair car (rear)        2386              

  2. 48-seat Chair car (rear)        2398               

  3. 22-seat Parlor-Observation car    2954     


1963 Shasta Daylight Consist Train #10

  1. Baggage                                        6644

   Dome-Lounge car         3603              

  1. AUTO (Automat)                      10608

  2. 48-seat Chair car        2389

  3. 46-seat Chair car (News Agent)    2390

  4. 48-seat Chair car                          2392

  5. 38-seat Chair car (Crew's Room) 2394

  6. 48-seat Chair car                  2398

  7. 48-seat Chair car                          2396

  8. 48-seat Chair car                         2395     


1966 Shasta Daylight Consist Train #10 

  1. Baggage                  6768

  2. Economy Baggage

  3. Dome-Lounge car                  3600

  4. 48-seat Dining Car                10202

  5. Lounge car                  2992

  6. 50-seat Chair car                  2404

  7. 50-seat Chair car                  2405

  8. 72-seat Chair-Observation car     2297


  1. * For the 1941 consists, see: Wayner's Car Names, Numbers, and Consists, Page 203.



References

  1. Info on corrugated cars on the Daylights, get the book Train 98 and 99, The Daylights by Richrd K. Wright.


  1. The Shasta Daylight cars (and all other Espee Pullman-Standard built streamline cars) are also covered in these fine books:


  3. The Official Pullman-Standard Library, Vol. 5, Southern Pacific Prewar Cars

  4. The Official Pullman-Standard Library, Vol. 6, Southern Pacific Postwar Cars

  5. Southern Pacific Passenger Trains Volume.1 Night Trains of the Coast Route - by Ryan/Shine

  6. Southern Pacific Passenger Trains Volume.2 Day Trains of the Coast Line - by Ryan/Shine

  7. Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume.1 Coaches and Chair Cars - by The SPH&TS

  8. Southern Pacific Passenger Cars Volume.2 Sleepers and Baggage-Dorms - by The SPH&TS

  9. Trainline Winter 1997 No.54 - The Lightweight Cascade by Jim Lancaster

  10. Trainline Fall 1999 No.61 - The Shasta Daylight by Jim Lancaster


Modeling Shasta Daylight Passenger Cars

Athearn Daylight Cars

  1. These are indeed just the old Athearn line of passenger car caricatures, which used to sell for a few bucks in "shake-the-box" kit form, now being sold pre-assembled for much bigger bucks. None have prototypes--all except the baggage and RPO cars are "shorty" versions of full length cars to begin with.  The streamlined baggage and RPO are close to ATSF prototype, but unlike anything SP had.  The heavyweight RPO is like nothing seen, with its huge doors, but the baggage is again close to Santa Fe.  Whether SP had anything close enough in its clerestory-roof baggage cars  for this car to be a "SP stand-in" .

Bachmann Spectrum Passenger Cars

  1. The prototype of the Bachmann HO Spectrum passenger cars are the Pennsy.

Broadway Limited Daylight

  1. Their list includes only cars from the 1941 versions--but they appear to be offering all cars in both of the 16 car as-delivered consists--Baggage-Chair, Articulated Chair, Articulated Chair, Articulated Chair, Triple Unit Diner-Kitchen-Coffee Shop, Articulated Chair, Chair, Tavern, Parlor, Parlor-Observation.


  3. All of the Chair and Parlor cars should have the baggage elevators. If they are modeled as originally delivered they will have fluting and skirts, as well as full-width diaphragms.


  5. The marker light arrangement on the Parlor-Observations changed over the years as well, with side markers being replaced by a roof-end unit incorporating red and green markers as well as a red Mars light.


Broadway Limited Daylight SP Daylight Passenger Cars

  1. 680 Baggage-Chair #3302 w/antennae                    $ 69.99

  2. 681 Articulated ChairW #2462/Chair M #2461 w/antenna $129.99

  3. 682 Articulated Chair W #2474/Chair M #2473 w/antenna          $129.99

  4. 683 Chair #2485                             $69.99

  5. 684 Parlor #3002                             $69.99

  6. 685 Parlor Obs #2954 w/antenna                    $89.99

  7. 686 Articulated Coffee shop #10258/Kitchen #10257/Diner #10256 $189.99

  8. 687 Tavern #10314 w/antenna                    $74.99

  9. 688 Articulated Chair W #2458/Chair M #2457           $129.99 

  10. 689 Articulated Chair W #2460/Chair M #2459           $129.99 

  11. 690 Baggage-Chair #3303                              $69.99

  12. 691 Articulated Chair W #2470/Chair M #2469           $129.99 

  13. 692 Articulated Chair W #2476/Chair M #2475           $129.99 

  14. 693 Chair #2486                             $69.99

  15. 694 Parlor #3003                             $69.99

  16. 695 Parlor Obs #2955                    $89.99

  17. 696 Articulated Coffee shop #10261/Kitchen #10260/Diner #10259 $189.99

  18. 697 Tavern #10315 w/antenna                    $74.99

  19. 698 Articulated Chair W #2466/Chair M #2465           $129.99

  20. 699 Articulated Chair W #2468/Chair M #2467           $129.99 

BLI  Lettering & Numbering

  1. All the BLI car numbers, including the triple unit diners, are from this ‘41 set, per Wayner's "Cars, Numbers, & Consists", Pg 203. The years will be limited since the cars are lettered with the small "Southern Pacific Lines."


Details

Diaphragms

  1. The cars were shopped in the very late 50s and early 60s, the full width diaphragms were changed out for the regular diaphragms. If you are waiting for a version with the regular diaphragms on it, then you should also be looking for the complete train with the SSS and Scarlett letterboards.

  2. Jim Scott

Modeling Diaphragms

Athearn

  1. With Athearn passenger cars, to add diaphragms to them use the American Limited diaphragms. They line up, work and look great and don't impede tracking of the car. The part number off hand is 9100. They come in 1 of 3 colors.


Triple bolster trucks Passenger Car Trucks

  1. The 4-TC-4, 4-TC- 5, 4-TC-6 trucks were used on the early Daylights. Drawings in Richard Wright's "SP Daylight Train 98-99 Vol 1" which does have photos and drawings of the 4-TC-4, 4-TC-5, 4- TC-6 trucks, but the drawings are not as clear.

Modeling San Joaquin Daylight Trucks

D&G Models

  1. Note, passenger car trucks are not generic. The exact trucks that are correct for SP depend on the particular passenger car. Your best bet is a model of a triple bolster truck, made by D&G. They were used on many SP Daylight cars and the model trucks roll fantastically well.

  2. Tim O'Connor


D&G Models

Use for Daylight trucks.

Best in the hobby. Web page is www.dandgmodels.com

e-mail dandgmodels@yahoo.com.


  2. Web page is                                     www.dandgmodels.com

  3. e-mail                                              dandgmodels@yahoo.com.


  5. Not only do the D&G trucks roll better than any other truck on the market, they are also prototypically correct.

Walther’s

  1. The Walthers 43-R is a better looking truck than the old MRC truck. However, the D&G truck not only looks better but rolls MUCH better than the Walthers. It's true that Walthers has electrical pickup, and use of wipers on the D&G trucks will somewhat impair rollability. Another viable option, though, may be to use batteries, considering how little power diode lights take. Also avoids flicker. Years ago Dick Wright suggested using the reed switch as a means for turning lights on and off, either when starting and ending an operating session, or as a means of operating the Daylight's step lights entering and leaving a station.


  3. There are some brass components for the trucks still around, and they build up into a nice looking model, based on the ones I've seen Jeff build. I will not assemble the brass trucks, and recommend that it be attempted only by advanced modelers. Because of shrinkage of the brass when cast using the lost wax method, some resizing of the holes in the journals for the nylon bearing inserts is required[note some kind of electrical pickup is still required as the trucks are still insulated from the track, but this gives free rolling characteristics]. Some soldering is also required during assembly, without burning up the springs, melting the bearing inserts etc. Recommend using the NMRA 88 wheelsets to make sure the wheels cannot rub up against the frame and cause a short.

  4. Jim Gerstley


Paint

  1. The Shasta Daylight was painted in Daylight colors.


Modeling Lettering & Numbering

Decals

Microscale SP Daylight decals

  1. The Southern Pacific is too short, it appears you used 1937 lettering and cut off the Lines. Also you used the post 1958 dark gray insignia. Change to an earlier one with Daylight in aluminum bronze. Microscale sheet #1055 will fix things.

  2. #1055 says its for either the Coast Daylight or the Shasta Daylight.


  4. They need to revise their #87-1055 "SP Shasta Daylight set to include the black outlining that lettering for those cars had before the 1958 revision. Do some lettering with the very fine Thinfilm 158, but part of it still has to be cobbled up somehow even then. The present Microscale set 87-1055 is fine for post-1958 cars, but we need that black outlining for pre-1958 modeling.


  6. The SPTC didn’t change their Pax car markings overnite, therefore the pre-1958 could be used with post 58 and establish time frame period (s).

Thin Film

    post 1958 - SP lettering Gray without black lining

  1. Use Thin Film #180 which is correct for these cars.



Specific Shasta Daylight Cars

79-ABC-1 Automats

  1. In 1962 they received 79-ABC-1 Automats. These cars had the regular diaphragms on them and many of the cars were now receiving the standard SSS with the Scarlett letterboard.


66-B-2 Baggage

  1. They also received 66-B-2 Baggage cars in 1962. These cars had the regular diaphragms on them and many of the cars were now receiving the standard SSS with the Scarlett letterboard.


79-C-2  Chair Cars

  1. Add a 44 seat chair car to your Shasta Daylight.There are several references in various sources to 44 seat chair cars included in mid to late 50's consists. They were distinctive in that they had 36" tall windows.

  2. You can accurately pop one of the forthcoming BLI cars into my Shasta Daylight.

  3. Wayne Cohen


  5. Add a fluted-side (and standard window) chair car that was often in the consist in the mid - late '50s.


83-C-1  Chair Cars

  1. The 83-C-1 cars were built for the Shasta Daylight, which had tall windows throughout. The other SP single-unit chair cars (i.e. not articulated) were 77 or 79 feet over end sills and had standard windows. These cars had the regular diaphragms on them and many of the cars were now receiving the standard SSS with the Scarlett letterboard.


83-DL-2 Dome Lounge

  1. In 1955, SP built the Class 83-DL-2 Dome Lounge for the Shasta Daylight and they were assigned to 98 and 99 in November of 1962.


Sleeper

  1. The sleeper, of course, would not be in Daylight paint.

  2. Tony Thompson 




 
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